Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 04-20-2012, 04:02 PM
 
4,428 posts, read 4,464,700 times
Reputation: 1356

Advertisements

Means testing for food stamps may return


The Pennsylvania Welfare Department on May 1 could resume enforcing a means test on food stamp applicants to reduce fraud. The asset test doesn't effect any other entitlements - only food stamps.

"The asset test was in place and was lifted by the prior administration in 2008," Miller said. "It is simply being put back in place."

Anyone with $2,000 or more in the bank or people who have a second car valued at more than $4,650 would no longer be eligible for the benefits. For those over 60 the limit is $3250. Houses and retirement benefits are exempt from counting as an asset, as is one car.


( Keep in mind that many people who don't qualify for food stamps in America have a very hard time maintaining a $2,000 savings account. )

Is means testing a good idea or a bad idea?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 04-20-2012, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
8,653 posts, read 6,099,603 times
Reputation: 3368
This is defiantly a terrible idea. Anyone with less then $2,000.00 in the bank on public assistance is virtually on the verge of being homeless especially seniors not being allowed to have more than $3250.00.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Yooperkat View Post
Means testing for food stamps may return


The Pennsylvania Welfare Department on May 1 could resume enforcing a means test on food stamp applicants to reduce fraud. The asset test doesn't effect any other entitlements - only food stamps.

"The asset test was in place and was lifted by the prior administration in 2008," Miller said. "It is simply being put back in place."

Anyone with $2,000 or more in the bank or people who have a second car valued at more than $4,650 would no longer be eligible for the benefits. For those over 60 the limit is $3250. Houses and retirement benefits are exempt from counting as an asset, as is one car.


( Keep in mind that many people who don't qualify for food stamps in America have a very hard time maintaining a $2,000 savings account. )

Is means testing a good idea or a bad idea?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-20-2012, 04:12 PM
 
41,815 posts, read 50,778,912 times
Reputation: 17862
Quote:
Originally Posted by SHABAZZ310 View Post
This is defiantly a terrible idea. Anyone with less then $2,000.00 in the bank on public assistance is virtually on the verge of being homeless especially seniors not being allowed to have more than $3250.00.
They can take it out and get under the limit. This legislation is aimed at people with large amounts of assets.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-20-2012, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
30,133 posts, read 23,508,546 times
Reputation: 38386
I'm all about finding ways to reduce the fraud but I don't think this is it. I'm not sure about you but $2000 is not a lot of money, if you think about it. That could be one month's living expenses. That could be something saved up in case something goes wrong with their car, (considering the value cannot be over a certain amount, it's probably an older car, their only source of transportation to get to and from work and if something happens, they have NO money to fix it), or an unexpected doctor's visit.

No, $2000 is not a lot of money, someone with $2000 in their bank account is NOT "abusing" the system.

If someone had $7-10,000 or higher, I might consider that but not two grand. That's a fricken ridiculously low amount.

If they want to go after fraud, actually go after fraud. Someone trying to build up a savings for a "just in case" moment should not be punished. As the article said, this is ONLY for food stamps.

Go after some of those other programs as well, go after those people who claim they have no car but actually sport around town in cars over $30 grand. Go after those people who misuse their EBT cards. Go after the people who have been on welfare for YEARS and keep sprouting out kids. Go after those people who have been on it their whole lives. Go after those people who are not even here, legally. Go after those people who claim SSI but are PERFECTLY CAPABLE of working, as some of them do, collecting under the table so they can continue to receive their SSI. Go after those who do find gainful employment and no longer need food stamps or welfare but NEVER INFORM the welfare offices and continue to collect.

THOSE are the abusers they should go after, not someone who has a laughable amount of money in their bank account.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-20-2012, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
6,721 posts, read 5,180,087 times
Reputation: 1378
Quote:
Originally Posted by thecoalman View Post
They can take it out and get under the limit. This legislation is aimed at people with large amounts of assets.
Then why are the limits so low. Taking it out doesn't work, they cam easily look back at transactions. I think Medicaid looks back 5 years now.

Last edited by buzzards27; 04-20-2012 at 05:41 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-20-2012, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
8,653 posts, read 6,099,603 times
Reputation: 3368
I think limits on money in the bank clearly show whom they’re aiming this towards. No need to read between the lines because it’s spelled out. It’s their attempt to punish the most vulnerable in our society.



Quote:
Originally Posted by thecoalman View Post
They can take it out and get under the limit. This legislation is aimed at people with large amounts of assets.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-20-2012, 04:50 PM
 
48,505 posts, read 96,489,188 times
Reputation: 18301
Its actaully the same with mnay proigrams of means testing incluiding for seniors .Its just what happens when spending gets to such high levels like Greece is facing.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-20-2012, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
90,316 posts, read 120,167,257 times
Reputation: 35920
$2000 is way too low. I'd let someone exempt $5000 at least, more if they're uninsured and not qualfied for Medicaid. I know every limit is arbitrary, but this is way low!

I might exempt only a part of the retirement bennies if the person is working another job. Some people retire on 80% of their salary (some military for example).
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-20-2012, 05:03 PM
 
4,428 posts, read 4,464,700 times
Reputation: 1356
Quote:
Originally Posted by SHABAZZ310 View Post
I think limits on money in the bank clearly show whom they’re aiming this towards. No need to read between the lines because it’s spelled out. It’s their attempt to punish the most vulnerable in our society.
What would be the motive to punish poor people?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-20-2012, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
90,316 posts, read 120,167,257 times
Reputation: 35920
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yooperkat View Post
What would be the motive to punish poor people?
Simple. To reduce food stamp costs.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top