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You might want to not tell people you went to an unaccredited diploma mill mostly known for Oral Roberts wife Lindsay embezzling school funds and having sex with male students.
It's a lie that's been perpetuated by the government-media complex, that everyone with a pulse is entitled to vote. The Framers never intended bumbling fool to vote and nowhere is it written in the Constitution that every fool has a right to participate in elections. When our country was founded, only white male property owners were permitted to participate in elections because white male property owners were by the greatest stakeholders of society.
"This will be the best security for maintaining our liberties. A nation of well-informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -- Benjamin Franklin
Benjamin Franklin and the rest of the Framers knew that the average shlemiel who watches Dancing With The Stars is too ignorant and unintelligent to make informed decisions in the selection public officials, that's why the privilege of voting was reserved to white male property owners. I'm not arguing only white men who own property should be allowed to vote nowadays, but the fact is the government was a lot less corrupt when only white male property owners could vote. What does that tell you?
"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -- Benjamin Franklin
It tells me that people with no stake in society won't vote for what's best for society they'll vote for whatever personally benefits them, including overtly voting themselves other people's rights and property. Nowadays you have an entire political party that uses the public treasury to buy people's votes. The Framers never intended this. In fact by allowing every yahoo to vote, you are actively subverting the Constitution. Voting was originally intended as a privilege for those who contributed to society and were intelligent enough to make informed decisions. Now look what happens when you let everyone with a pulse vote...
HEY! There already is a voting rights thread with the same issues being discussed. How many threads on this same topic are you planning to clutter the board and harangue us with? Where are the mods when you need them?
MODERATOR: please combine this thread with the other thread: Should people who don't pay taxes be able to vote? (Something like that.)
The United States under the Constitutional Government was modeled and based entirely on Plato's Republic. How odd is that students are graduated from high school without ever having read the Republic.
Plato understood that democracy is destructive, and that democracies always fail. Plato logically reasoned that a balance may be achieved by implementing representative democracy, rather than full democracy, and then restricting representation and those who vote.
Since you've read it, and have been schooled properly, explain how this formula was used by the framers.
HEY! There already is a voting rights thread with the same issues being discussed. How many threads on this same topic are you planning to clutter the board and harangue us with? Where are the mods when you need them?
MODERATOR: please combine this thread with the other thread: Should people who don't pay taxes be able to vote? (Something like that.)
The Mods have abandoned the P&OC forum; they can't keep up with the sheer amount of B.S. here generated by a small but vocal cadre of zealots with way too much time on their hands (see Mircea's post above).
For a properly moderated area, go over to "Great Debates" forum.
You combined far too many issues into a single post to make quoting each individual aspect of your comments in any way convenient.
Regarding your comments directed at my posts;
Representative government is a right, having a voice in that process has been more than earned by the blood of those that have fought for our freedoms.
Limiting the voice of others to articulate their objections is in no way beneficial. Providing an opportunity to be heard is in no way synonymous with allowing ourselves to be dragged into the gutter. Morons or not people should be allowed to speak their mind. That should in no way be confused with allowing everyone to have their way.
I'll refrain to so much as addressing your next comment as your objection to my statement was too vague and rambling to be addressed succinctly.
Partisan idiots are stupid people. They cast votes based on poorly understood ideologies and the bulk of the votes cast are made in the hope of advancing their agenda and in their own warped minds profiting from having won a pointless battle.
A hopelessly corrupt political class does everything possible to engender these mindless partisan votes by promising rewards should the votes be successful.
Yes, it is a global economy but that is not a reason to disregard our own national interests when voting.
Here's the deal, like it or not. I despise partisan hacks, whether they claim to be conservative or liberal. People need to wake up and vote on issues regardless of whether some lying scumbag politician claims that issue is something that should be embraced by a liberal or a conservative.
We no longer have a representative government. We have a would be ruling class that seems to believe they should be exempt from all restriction. Partisan idiots and their poorly reasoned votes allow and enable to politicians to commit further abuses. I'll stick with my statement that partisan idiots will be the death of this nation.
I agree. We should have the informed, intelligent at least college educated people doing the voting.
Wait, those people overwhelmingly vote democrat...cool.
What we need is a system of experts that inform the congressmen on what is best for the country. We need people to inform the lawmakers of the consequences of any decision made in congress. Basically we need people who act on logic in congress.
The Mods have abandoned the P&OC forum; they can't keep up with the sheer amount of B.S. here generated by a small but vocal cadre of zealots with way too much time on their hands (see Mircea's post above).
For a properly moderated area, go over to "Great Debates" forum.
Oh, thanks for the heads-up, Jaguar.
Hey MIRCEA, go back to Romania where you came from ! (Or where you parents came from.) They have a democracy there that's restricted in its own unique way, har har. You don't seem to appreciate ours. (Să trăiască mulți ani România!)
Your whole ranting attempt to justify restricting the vote falls apart when the issue of an uninformed electorate is raised. All you have to do to solve that, is --what? Think you can figure this one out? Need a little help?
Provide universal education, and make sure it's of good quality! What a radical concept! Make university education accessible to all, not just to an elite, as they do in many parts of Europe, and as is beginning to happen here in the US.
Kid: we already have a system that informs members of Congress of what's best for the country. It's called "the voting public", and "lobbyists". (Remember, corporations and businesses are part of this country.) Not quite what you had in mind? Lobbying should be outlawed. Corporate campaign contributions should have the same cap as individual campaign contributions, if they should be allowed at all.
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For several centuries the trend in voting has been to encourage popular elections.
What we read in this thread is completely reactionary. The right-wing only wants the "privilege" of voting to be bestowed on land owners; taxpayers; stakeholders, etc. Remember, these are the people that framed John Kerry an elitist and told us that raising taxes on the 1% was "class warfare." Yet, what is being suggested in this thread has a far more elitist view and pales raising taxes as class warfare. The right-wing wants an elite to run the country and to disenfranchises most Americans.
This thread should make it clear as day that the right-wing doesn't even believe in democracy.
But let's entertain what an America would look like under that plan. The ruling elite would not pay taxes as they would surely set all taxes on the others. In all, it would resemble the French model before the French Revolution.
...and these people have the nerve to tell us we should be afraid of Obama.
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