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Umm the liberal left has been trying and succeeding in some instance to change congress set up to their advantage for years and years. Why do you think it scares me so much about getting Dem in the oval office at the same time the Dems are majority in House and Senate? For example: Why do you think they are so against line item veto? So they can pad every bill that goes up to Bush with such far left items included (that have NOTHING to do with the main subject of the bill) that he has no choice but to veto due to all the add ons then they get in the media saying Bush vetoed the main bill subject and he looks like the *******. Yea, far left liberals have all kinds of trick and find every loop hole they can. Nothing new there.
What they want is to keep re-shaping Congress until they control Congress altogether. They tried the illegal alien amnesty (and the subsequent immigration of at least 130 million, so the country would be run by socialist-minded aliens) and now they keep trying to Gerrymander Congress to fit their needs. Sick, man.
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Originally Posted by Willys
Congress... 535 reasons to support term limits with NO benefits and NO grandfathering tenure.
Send those people home NOW ! ! !
Preach on, brother! Preach on!
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Agreed. Hillary gets the big casino. Filibuster-proof majorities in both houses of Congress, and at least one SCOTUS pick.
Scary.
This is a huge scam.
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What really is the problem with folks in DC getting to have a congressional Representative? Right now they have none.
DC is about the same population as Alaska, Wyoming, North Dakota and other small states, but instead of "0" congressmen and "0" senators, they get 2 senators and 1 congressman.
Maybe if they were exempted from income tax or something I'd be fair to have no voting members of congress. They are US citizens, not illegal immigrants... why do they get the same amount of votes?
PS, the whole "gun ban" tie-in is a pretty week one since dozens of cities (New York, Chicago, etc) also ban handguns.
No city has a total gun ban as DC does. The Democrats and the Constitution (you know that document the hard left HATES) says STATES have representatives, not districts or territories or colonies.
DC IS NOT A STATE. WHAT PART OF THAT DON'T SOME PEOPLE DO NOT UNDERSTAND?
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I think people who elected and re-elected Marion Barry are not qualified to vote in the Presidential election. They should have to do community service or something to re-qualify themselves. And then pass a really hard test.
LOL... true. Barry is a moron. He is almost as bad as the mayor of NYC, blooming idiot Mayor Bloomberg.
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Marion Barry aside, of course the people of DC deserve representation. If it were a Republican-leaning area, I have a feeling the supporters for this move would feel differently.
No, because the GOP liks to follow the US Constitution and the Constitution clearly states states have reps. That is why Puerto Rico or the Virgin Islands do NOT have reps. They are NOT states. But I am sure the Dems wants them to have reps too.
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"Taxation without Representation" was THE impetus for our own Revolutionary War, and yet citizens of the US demanding representation rights is somehow a "threat" to you?!
You all prove once again that were this 1776, today's conservatives would have been loyalists to the crown! Disgusting.
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STATES ARE REPRESENTED, NOT TERRITORIES OR DISTRICTS.
DC = NOT A STATE!
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Correct me if I am wrong here but when it comes to voting and representation isn't DC covered as part of Maryland? Wouldn't this be like wanting separate/additional senators for the city of NY in addition to the state of NY?
I know DC is not a state, it is a district, but I was taught in school (many, many years ago and CRS has set in) that even though it is not a state that in many respects it is a part of Maryland property? For example if you lived in DC and you wanted to contact your state rep, you would contact Maryland rep...right?
Bingo. DC is part Virginia and part Maryland. This a scam, MBMouse. You are hitting the nail on the head!
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Tri, the federal district (D.C.) was set up in the first place as a seat of government—not a burgeoning city where 1000's of people were expected to live!
In fact, the whole notion of public service in the early days of the Republic was modeled on the example of Gen. Washington and other Founders: serve your appointed duty as a steward of the public trust, then when you're finished...retire and go home.
Politics was never meant to be a lucrative, lifelong career. The sheer size of D.C. today only underscores how far we've drifted from the Founders' intent. Send all the parasite politicians home! Let all the wonks, bureaucrats, lawyers and lobbyists go back to their respective states and get real jobs.
Then you'd have a government city where the folks hanging out there are the ones actually working for us!
In FY2004, federal tax collections were $16.9 billion[4] while federal spending in the District was $37.6 billion.[5]
That doesn't mean that residents have representation. It merely acknowledges that the District is a city with infrastructure, not that residents have someone to represent them on issues.
Umm the liberal left has been trying and succeeding in some instance to change congress set up to their advantage for years and years. Why do you think it scares me so much about getting Dem in the oval office at the same time the Dems are majority in House and Senate? For example: Why do you think they are so against line item veto? So they can pad every bill that goes up to Bush with such far left items included (that have NOTHING to do with the main subject of the bill) that he has no choice but to veto due to all the add ons then they get in the media saying Bush vetoed the main bill subject and he looks like the *******. Yea, far left liberals have all kinds of trick and find every loop hole they can. Nothing new there.
The Dems do that crap and always have done it. Then blame the President and people don't see it for what it is. That astounds me the most.
I mean they are not listening to We the People.
Pork barrel crap needs to stop and they need to be held accountable I think how much higher are taxes going to get to pay for the pork?
The Dems think that the money tree is just growing.
It's like they are crazy with power and they are not going to listen to anyone because they know what is good for us better than us.
That doesn't mean that residents have representation. It merely acknowledges that the District is a city with infrastructure, not that residents have someone to represent them on issues.
That doesn't mean that residents have representation. It merely acknowledges that the District is a city with infrastructure, not that residents have someone to represent them on issues.
And lets be realistic here. DC is only 70 sq miles, so there are only so many roads and bridges that you can build.
I think that most of the money goes to the huge number of federal gov't employees salaries (if they work in DC, regardless of home residence). That includes all the members of Congress, plus the President, etc. I don't see how that is a direct benefit to the city (and only a slight inderect benefit... basically the cost of a lobbyist paid lunch). Also every time they build an expansion of Dick Cheney's house, a new gov't office building, create a monument, etc it is counted as spending in DC.
But then again, spending also also doesn't equal losing your vote. If it did, then I think both Alaska and West Virginia would have to be forced to give up at least one of their cranky old white dudes (Senators Byrd or Stevens, for those who are out of the loop).
Nirvana-Guy, you are an absolute creep. You pretend you care about the Constitution, but I don't see you trying to get the 600,000 people in DC representation through an amendment. Becasue you really don't care, do you? Trying to deny half a million peoplethe right to vote, how "Christian."
Nirvana-Guy, you are an absolute creep. You pretend you care about the Constitution, but I don't see you trying to get the 600,000 people in DC representation through an amendment. Becasue you really don't care, do you? Trying to deny half a million peoplethe right to vote, how "Christian."
Don't forget that he goes against what his beloved Old Testament teaches about how to treat aliens.
D.C. will never become a state because it is the host city of the Federal Government. It is a permanent part of this country so it should not even be treated as a territory or colony.
I propose as a compromise between the two parties that D.C. has 1 senator and 1 representative with full membership privleges like voting.
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You all prove once again that were this 1776, today's conservatives would have been loyalists to the crown! Disgusting.
I agree. These people are traitors. Why is it that they support the rule of the King's foot all over the land? METRIC NOW!!!
Are you suggesting that residents there have all 535 members as representatives for the issues of the day?
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I think that most of the money goes to the huge number of federal gov't employees salaries (if they work in DC, regardless of home residence). That includes all the members of Congress, plus the President, etc.
All of that is outlined in the budget and appropriated to the respective agencies, not some vague DC cookie jar.
Are you suggesting that residents there have all 535 members as representatives for the issues of the day?
I guess that depends on what you mean by "issues of the day."
If you're talking about how much money they get, and where it comes from, ignoring the imporance of Congress in your calculations would be like telling an onrushing train to spare you, due to your ability to walk and chew gum at the same time.
It means that we're not talking about fixing a city street,
This is about issues that come up in Congrees not the Mayor's office. This is not very complicated.
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