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Old 05-02-2012, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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I completely disagree. If I were to hear someone shout "I have a firearm- stop or I'll shoot", even if I did not see what what transpired, my very first inclination would be the person shouting the warning is the aggressor, particularly if they do shoot after that verbal warning. The reason I would think that is because you used the word "stop." Which implies to me that you were shouting at someone attempting to get away from you.

If that person being shouted at later ends up with a bullet in his back, then my perception would have been vindicated. However, if that person being shouted at has a bullet in their chest, then my perceptions would have been wrong. Either way, if you feel your life is truly in danger, you are not going to care what witnesses perceive. You are going to take action to defend yourself, using whatever means at your disposal.
I truly hope for your sake that you never need to use a firearm in self defense.
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Old 05-02-2012, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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If I have to travel in places I feel endangered I will be armed. Always.
That would be great.....if only the bad guys would remain exclusively in those "dangerous areas"

It would also be really cool if they called ahead of time and made an appointment for your meeting.
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Old 05-02-2012, 12:53 PM
 
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Man, even the far right members on here are disagreeing with you.

LOL

i'm on the far right (though i'm almost certain we'd disagree on what constitutes the far right), but 20 years for firing off a warning is f****d up! we have some seriously screwed up priorities if people are going down for 20 for firing warnings, and kiddie fiddlers, rapists and even murderers are doing less time!
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Old 05-02-2012, 01:12 PM
 
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i'm on the far right (though i'm almost certain we'd disagree on what constitutes the far right), but 20 years for firing off a warning is f****d up! we have some seriously screwed up priorities if people are going down for 20 for firing warnings, and kiddie fiddlers, rapists and even murderers are doing less time!
Again, this has to do with Florida's manditory sentencing laws which apply mandatory minimum sentences when an individual has been previously convicted of other crimes. With a mandatory minimum sentence of 20 years it is highly likely that this woman has previously been convicted of a felony (thus a felon in possesion of a firearm and using that firearm in "assault").
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Old 05-02-2012, 01:14 PM
 
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The location does not matter. If you are concerned about witnesses, then you are not in fear for your life, and therefore should not be using a firearm. The only time a firearm should be used for protection is when there is no other alternative. If there is no other alternatives, then what witnesses perceive is of no consequence. If you are thinking that witnesses may perceive something other than what you intended, then you have other alternatives and should not be using a firearm.
Actually it is a matter of training and mindset. The last thing a CCW holder actually wants to do is to fire a weapon and kill the attacker. If there is a chance that issuing verbal commands will stop the attack then that is what someone trains to do everytime they draw their weapon.
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Old 05-02-2012, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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I truly hope for your sake that you never need to use a firearm in self defense.
I truly hope I never need to use a firearm in self-defense either. However, I still carry and I am prepared to use a firearm in self-defense if I have no other alternative.
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Old 05-02-2012, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Look at my location.
I'm sorry.
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Old 05-02-2012, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Actually it is a matter of training and mindset. The last thing a CCW holder actually wants to do is to fire a weapon and kill the attacker. If there is a chance that issuing verbal commands will stop the attack then that is what someone trains to do everytime they draw their weapon.
I agree. If running away works, then that also should be an option before a firearm is used. If there is any means to stop an attack before bringing a firearm into play, then it should be pursued first. The only time a firearm should be used in self-defense is as a last resort, when there are no other alternatives.
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Old 05-07-2012, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Default Florida's "Stand Your Ground Law" doesn't seem to help women.

"It took nearly a year's worth of violent physical abuse before Marissa Alexander decided to stand her ground against her husband."

"On Aug. 1, 2010, her husband cornered her in their Jacksonville, Fla., home. Alexander said she ran to the garage to escape, but the garage door was jammed, so Alexander grabbed a pistol. Her husband, Rico Gray, 36, saw the gun and threatened to kill her."

"Fearing for her life, she raised the pistol above her head and squeezed the trigger, the crackle of gunfire pelting the kitchen ceiling. While the shooting may have gotten Alexander out of one jam, it put her in another: She has been in a Florida jail since 2010 awaiting a mandatory sentence of 20 years in prison for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon..."


Abused Wife Faces 20 Years In Prison After Failed Stand-Your-Ground Defense - YouTube
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Old 05-08-2012, 05:42 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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"It took nearly a year's worth of violent physical abuse before Marissa Alexander decided to stand her ground against her husband."

"On Aug. 1, 2010, her husband cornered her in their Jacksonville, Fla., home. Alexander said she ran to the garage to escape, but the garage door was jammed, so Alexander grabbed a pistol. Her husband, Rico Gray, 36, saw the gun and threatened to kill her."

"Fearing for her life, she raised the pistol above her head and squeezed the trigger, the crackle of gunfire pelting the kitchen ceiling. While the shooting may have gotten Alexander out of one jam, it put her in another: She has been in a Florida jail since 2010 awaiting a mandatory sentence of 20 years in prison for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon..."


Abused Wife Faces 20 Years In Prison After Failed Stand-Your-Ground Defense - YouTube

I think she would have not been convicted of anything at all if she would have shot him instead of giving him a warning shot. you have to remember that a warning shot is just wrong, if you pull a firearm on someone with the intent of using it on them, then either shoot them or just show it to them. the only warning shot that should have been given to him, is the one where the bullet was entering his chest.
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