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Old 05-07-2012, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I blame Republicans when they are deserving of blame. You NEVER blame Democrats for anything or at least I haven't seen it if you have.
Stop playing games, or whining about them. Stick with logical arguments, counter that presented them to you.
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Old 05-07-2012, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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Pot, meet kettle

You (and buzzards27 and MTATech and plenty of others) will excuse anything as long as there is a D next to the person's name. Blame can always be shifted to someone who has an R next to their name.
FYI, I'm a registered republican, 16 out of the last 20 years. Mostly because of local GOP candodates I have always voted GOP in the primaries. With the teabagger extremists taking over the GOP this was the last primary I intend to vote GOP.
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Old 05-07-2012, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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FYI, I'm a registered republican, 16 out of the last 20 years. Mostly because of local GOP candodates I have always voted GOP in the primaries. With the teabagger extremists taking over the GOP this was the last primary I intend to vote GOP.
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Come on, who do you think you're fooling?

Yeah...those extremist teabaggers..so extreme to want limited government, low taxes and ONLY spending what you take in...so very extreme.
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Old 05-07-2012, 12:11 PM
 
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I should actually add to this....we did NOT have a net loss of jobs under GWB (unless, of course, you count the jobs lost in the recession after Obama took office which would not be a fair way of calculating it using your own standards).
This is true.

However, under Bush's administration there were only a net creation 556,000 jobs. It peaked at around 4.919 million.

So there was practically no net-gain or loss of jobs under the Bush administration (89% of the gains made were lost by JAnuary 2009).

These numbers do factor in the early 2000s recession BTW.
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Old 05-07-2012, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Texas
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FYI, I'm a registered republican, 16 out of the last 20 years. Mostly because of local GOP candodates I have always voted GOP in the primaries. With the teabagger extremists taking over the GOP this was the last primary I intend to vote GOP.
So you're a registered Republican just so you can vote for Republicans in primaries, but I bet you never vote for one in general elections.

That being said, I am sick of the tea party extremists as well. I wish they stuck to the taxes and spending and hadn't veered off into social issues and absolute complete unwillingness to compromise (though I also believe Democrats, including Obama, have been very unwilling to compromise).
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Old 05-07-2012, 12:41 PM
 
Location: NJ
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This is true.

However, under Bush's administration there were only a net creation 556,000 jobs. It peaked at around 4.919 million.

So there was practically no net-gain or loss of jobs under the Bush administration (89% of the gains made were lost by JAnuary 2009).

These numbers do factor in the early 2000s recession BTW.
+556k looks pretty good compared to this admin's job losing net record.
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Old 05-07-2012, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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+556k looks pretty good compared to this admin's job losing net record.
But only to those who either...
- have no shame.
- have no clue.
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Old 05-07-2012, 02:22 PM
 
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I don't blame Obama for all this, just as I don't blame GWB or Clinton or Congress for all this. I blame them all. They've all played a role in this mess. That said, I see no evidence that Obama will get us out of it.
What evidence is there that Romney will create jobs? Massachusetts was 47th in job creation while he was governor. lol...
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Old 05-07-2012, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Texas
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What evidence is there that Romney will create jobs? Massachusetts was 47th in job creation while he was governor. lol...
And he got its unemployment rate down to 4.6%. That sounds excellent - wouldn't you say?

MA is 41st in job creation under Deval Patrick.

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While these figures look bad on their face, they are misleading (Romney didn't do that bad and neither has Patrick). MA has had anemic population growth compared to most other states.

1% job growth with 1% population growth =/= 1% job growth with 5% population growth. I'm not using exact numbers here and I don't have time to look up the numbers...I'm just trying to make a point. If MA was doing that badly (under Romney or Patrick), its unemployment rate would be drastically higher than that of the nation as a whole, but it's not.

That being said, there's certainly no guarantee that a President Romney would create tons and tons of jobs. But what we're doing now definitely isn't working.
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Old 05-07-2012, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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That being said, there's certainly no guarantee that a President Romney would create tons and tons of jobs. But what we're doing now definitely isn't working.
You don't know that, until you demonstrate the ability to present and discuss a baseline.
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