Was Jesus a Liberal? (fence, elect, claim, society)

[boiseguy]

Originally Posted by macmeal

I dont know---Jesus preached love of neighbor, true enough. He had a lot of patience, and He was VERY down on people judging one another--all true. But I think we make a big mistake if we think this makes Him just sort of a laid-back, cool dude, with no particular hangups. WE shouldn't judge each other---but we will be judged, nonetheless. And though Jesus apparently didn't write "The Ten Commandments", He certainly never gave anyone the impression that they weren't to be obeyed.--at least, that's not MY impression.
In essence, He "took on our debt" (or so the thinking goes), but that doesn't let us off the "hook". Those ten commandments weren't just "Ten Suggestions". And cool, easy-going "dudes" don't usually make "commandments"--sounds pretty serious to me---I'd advise a "cautious" approach.

I think it's a big mistake not to keep this stuff in perspective. This is what I believe He'd say, and He'd want me to remind others. So you've been "reminded"........and that's all I can do...thanks for listening

excellent point....
reminding others and mandating it are very different points though..
I like this post.. it is good insight into what people need to really think about.. and what their roles are in society.. particpants.. not rulers...

[AksarbeN]

My understanding is that Jesus must be a conservative republican because George W. hears him speak directly to him. I’m not sure if George hears others voices but that’s my guess anyway. However if I go from what the different religions teach I get confused because each one of the churches seem to have their own twist on Jesus and the teachings of their church.

On second thought! I don’t really believe George is a conservative with the way he has spent our tax dollars, and he can’t be much of a republican because I knew many good republicans ~ some were presidents even. I know what a republican is and George isn’t one.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by boiseguy

excellent point....
reminding others and mandating it are very different points though..
I like this post.. it is good insight into what people need to really think about.. and what their roles are in society.. particpants.. not rulers...

I agree but................I don't believe there is one human being on this planet that any of us need feel compelled to answer to regarding God's laws, that reckoning will come in a different time, different place.

[MooksterL1]

Originally Posted by macmeal

In essence, He "took on our debt" (or so the thinking goes), but that doesn't let us off the "hook". Those ten commandments weren't just "Ten Suggestions". And cool, easy-going "dudes" don't usually make "commandments"--sounds pretty serious to me---I'd advise a "cautious" approach.

I think it's a big mistake not to keep this stuff in perspective. This is what I believe He'd say, and He'd want me to remind others. So you've been "reminded"........and that's all I can do...thanks for listening

Not that I disagree with your post in general, but, in a manner of speaking, it does let us off the hook. "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast."

Originally Posted by MooksterL1

What would you call it if it's not judgemental?

As for Merry Christmas, Jesus wasn't even born in December.

How about answering my questions first, and then I'll answer yours.

[MooksterL1]

What questions did you have?

Originally Posted by boiseguy

baptist huh? fire and brimstone anyone?

Interesting to note that when Manigault posted that "It is useful to remember that the only priest we ever had in congress was a liberal democrat" no stones were cast, presumably because we were speaking of a liberal democrat. But when I made the point that Huckabee is an ordained Baptist minister, you poked fun at him. Thank you for demonstrating a perfect example of liberal hypocracy.

Originally Posted by MooksterL1

What questions did you have?

See page 6 where you ignored my questions and posted your own question directed at me. You know, where you said something about Jesus not being born in December?
Though I believe for most of the entire planet it is obvious, I guess I can spell it out for anyone who has missed it: We commemorate the birth of Jesus on December 25. It may not be the exact day that Jesus was born, but nevertheless, it is the day chosen that we as Christians celebrate His birth. And your point is?

[Manigault]

The point, proud Mary, is that men of faith such as Father Drinan and Mike Huckabee, can be far apart on the political spectrum. After all, Pat Robertson and Jesse Jackson are both Baptist preachers.

Would Jesus approve of Christmas? Some faiths say no. The night before He died Jesus was at a seder but I don't see many Christians emulating that now. My point is that it is wrong to presume some sort of piety based on political philosophy. No matter who Alan Keyes believes Jesus would vote for.

Ad Maiorem Deum Gloriam

[MooksterL1]

Originally Posted by proudmary

What is wrong with celebrating His birth and extending a gesture of good will toward strangers? I believe it's exactly the kind of thing He'd wish to promote. I think Jesus would appreciate the spirit of generosity and the reflection on religious themes that the holiday engenders, and might even love the mood, the music and even the decorations ( all of which are reflective of the gifts He has bestowed upon us). Moreover, I think He'd be proud of Christians celebrating their Christianity. Christians,as well as Jews or any other religion, rooted in their identity are a blessing for soceity, not a problem, as the left would have us believe.

Are you refering to this post? Since celebrating Christmas isn't addressed in the bible, I cannot begin to infer what Jesus might think about it. I would imagine however, that if we practiced what He preached about love and tolerance the other 364 days of the year that would be a good thing.