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No where in this treaty is our sovereignty compromised.
The USA should fully support the United Nations for it works to promote better cooperation and comprising on world issues. Better cooperation promotes more stability, peace and security.
This is something moronic hard-lined UN critics will never understand and will probably never influence. As someone who hopes to work for the UN someday I am glad that morons like some in this thread will most likely never come into influence on politics.
Isolating ourselves international is shooting ourselves in the foot. Honestly try to grasp what the UN is about before some knob head such as Glenn Beck feeds you garbage about national sovereignty being violated.
It is times like these that make me question how stupid, isolated and moronic this country has become and the failed ability to understand how ANYTHING outside of their own little bubble realm works.
Selfish, ignorant, self absorbed pigs with no understanding of the United Nations Charter or its provisions.
No where in this treaty is our sovereignty compromised.
The USA should fully support the United Nations for it works to promote better cooperation and comprising on world issues. Better cooperation promotes more stability, peace and security.
This is something moronic hard-lined UN critics will never understand and will probably never influence. As someone who hopes to work for the UN someday I am glad that morons like some in this thread will most likely never come into influence on politics.
Isolating ourselves international is shooting ourselves in the foot. Honestly try to grasp what the UN is about before some knob head such as Glenn Beck feeds you garbage about national sovereignty being violated.
It is times like these that make me question how stupid, isolated and moronic this country has become and the failed ability to understand how ANYTHING outside of their own little bubble realm works.
Selfish, ignorant, self absorbed pigs with no understanding of the United Nations Charter or its provisions.
I love when leftists resort to name calling when their brains can not respond.
If I was a native of some small backward country I might be a supporter of the UN. The UN tries to bring the US down to the level of these backward, often dictatorial countries. The UN takes money from developed countries and gives it to the leadership of poor countries who keep it from the people. The UN is a leftist organization that has no influence with dictators. If it did, Sadaam Hussein would have let inspectors in and we would have found no WMD's and saved a war. The US does more with charitable acts than the UN.
A number of countries have expanded their maritime borders significantly over the last decade. Russia and Norway spring to mind. I believe they are all signatories to the law.
Anyway, its kind of difficult to negotiate with countries like Canada and Russia over the northwest and northeast passage without even acknowledging the law governing the issue. Repeat for other disputed maritime areas.
As for leaving the UN, yes, thats a great idea. If your goal is to make America a third-world country, that is. Give up the permanent seat and veto rights in the Security Council, and give up power in WTO desicions.
I love when leftists resort to name calling when their brains can not respond.
If I was a native of some small backward country I might be a supporter of the UN. The UN tries to bring the US down to the level of these backward, often dictatorial countries. The UN takes money from developed countries and gives it to the leadership of poor countries who keep it from the people. The UN is a leftist organization that has no influence with dictators. If it did, Sadaam Hussein would have let inspectors in and we would have found no WMD's and saved a war. The US does more with charitable acts than the UN.
No the UN is comprised of member states based on the ideals of sovereign equality as stated in Article one of the Charter. With the same voting power as the United States do you honestly think other member states are going to just bend over to what the United States wants?
Having an equal say is a ***** but it is a right needed if the international community wants to be represented as a whole.
You should re-check the western bias and understand the given circumstances of other member States.
A number of countries have expanded their maritime borders significantly over the last decade. Russia and Norway spring to mind. I believe they are all signatories to the law.
Anyway, its kind of difficult to negotiate with countries like Canada and Russia over the northwest and northeast passage without even acknowledging the law governing the issue. Repeat for other disputed maritime areas.
As for leaving the UN, yes, thats a great idea. If your goal is to make America a third-world country, that is. Give up the permanent seat and veto rights in the Security Council, and give up power in WTO desicions.
Please tell us specifically how leaving the UN would make America third world
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The UN is a worthless organization. Sorry, Stateisota, but you don't have much to work with if you are going to extol that organization. They are impotent and have minimal effect in the world of politics. The USA can still act "Internationally" in a more viable way rather than thru the UN. To reject the UN is not to reject international cooperation or other international endeavors. The UN has far too many players playing by their own rules and it's integrity is compromised because of it. It is as impotent as the League of Nations.
Please tell us specifically how leaving the UN would make America third world
America gets some pretty big advantages from influence over the WTO and a permanent seat in the security council. Having to compete on a level playing field would be hard enough. Having to compete on a playing field where the opposition gets to make the rules would not be possible.
Basically, imagine trying to compete in an environment where the competition has the final say in any trade dispute. Thats a ticket to the third world in itself.
Someone earlier in the thread said the UN is an organization of nations that hate America. That is hyperbole, but it is just as well to keep veto power in such an organization, rather than letting them do what they like.
I love when leftists resort to name calling when their brains can not respond.
So what does that make you?
Apparently, it makes you a National Socialist.
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Obama and Hillary are working with the UN to get the "Law of the Sea Treaty" ratified in the senate before the republicans take over next year.
Really?
Who controlled the US Senate between January 2003 and January 2009?
Why, um, that would be the Republicans.
What did the Republican-controlled Senate do in 2004?
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Floor Action: March 11, 2004 - Reported favorably by Senator Lugar, Committee on Foreign Relations with printed Ex. Rept.108-10 and a resolution of advice and consent to ratification with declarations and understandings. Executive Calendar No. 13.
Looky here!
The Committee on Foreign Relations, to which was referred the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea and the Agreement Relating to the Implementation of Part XI on the United Nations
Convention on the Law of the Sea, with Annex (Treaty Doc. 103–39), having considered the same reports favorably thereon with declarations and understandings as indicated in the resolution
of advice and consent, andrecommends that the Senate give its advice and consent to accession to the Convention and ratification of the Agreement as set forth in this report and the accompanying resolution of advice and consent to ratification.
If US oil companies want to drill on the continental shelf they will have to first have the location approved by the UN body. (The treehuggers there don't want any drilling.) If they do approve the drilling, the US gets taxed and the money gets redistributed to countries that hate us. Right now we have control of our own destiny. Do even liberal Americans really want the UN to have control over us? If yes then they must truly hate the US.
Sorry, but UNCLOS provides for a 12-mile territorial sea limit and a 200-mile exclusive economic zone limit.
I hope you are not suggesting that the continental shelf extends 200 miles from the US, because you would be very, very wrong indeed.
If you want to appear intellectual and simultaneously make an argument that has at least some points to be taken, you can whine about the fact that that it bars submerged vessels within the 12-mile territorial limit.
That means submarines would have to surface in order to transit any point within the 12-mile territorial limit.
It also means that the US could not illegally mine the harbors of another country using submersible unmanned vessels (like it did in Nicaragua) and then of course if the US cannot do that, then the US would not be sued in court and lose to a country (like Nicaragua) who sued the US because the US illegally mined their harbors, and then the US wouldn't have to overthrow the government that sued it (like it did in Nicaragua).
I suppose to support your claim, you could always cite the Sermon on the Oil Rig from the New Testicle:
Conoco-Phillips 5:7 Blessed is he who illegally mines the harbors of another country in retaliation for taxing US corporations; for he shall have bananas and fruits and sugar and breakfast cereals to eat (tax free).
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