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Republican Senators including John McCain are buying into the United Nations Global Taxation Scheme. This is intentionally designed to hand over Our Sovereignty to the third world.
More than 130 congressmen (including 12 (D) Senators) led by Rep. Mike Kelly, R-Pa., signed a letter sent to President Barack Obama Monday expressing their opposition to a U.N. arms trade treaty if it violates U.S. gun owner rights and sovereignty. -
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has not signed, nor has the U.S. Congress ratified, a United Nations small arms treaty. In fact, such a treaty hasn't even been drafted yet; it's merely a concept which is currently in the discussion phase. (An Arms Trade Treaty Conference is taking place at United Nations Headquarters in New York throughout the month of July 2012.)
No such treaty could "bypass the normal legislative process in Congress," as all treaties to which the U.S. is a signatory must first be approved by a two-thirds vote of the U.S. Senate before they are considered to be ratified and binding.
The putative United Nations arms treaty referenced in the Reuters article linked at the end of the example reproduced above has nothing to do with restricting the sale or ownership of guns within the United States. The aim of a potential U.N. arms treaty is to combat the illicit international trade of small arms by "tightening regulation of, and setting international standards for, the import, export and transfer of conventional weapons" in order to "close gaps in existing regional and national arms export control systems that allow weapons to pass onto the illicit market." Even if such a treaty came to pass, U.S. rights and laws regarding the sale and ownership of small arms would still apply within the United States.
The President of the United States cannot enact a "complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations." The right to keep and bear arms is guaranteed in the Constitution of the United States, and in the 1957 case Reid v. Covert, the U.S. Supreme Court established that the Constitution supersedes international treaties ratified by the U.S. Senate.
There is no "legal way around the 2nd Amendment" other than a further amendment to the Constitution that repeals or alters it, or a Supreme Court decision that radically reinterprets how the 2nd Amendment is to be applied.
What an utterly ridiculous and crazy thing to believe.
Can you refute the reality and implications of the treaty?
Being crazy would be to ignore the consequences and long term ramifications of a particular arrangement. Perhaps you should evaluate these issues first, as any prudent person would. Being impetuous and embracing a "treaty" which may have markedly negative impact on our sovereignty would be foolhardy and dangerous.
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For those interested in reality, as opposed to tin foil hat conspiracy nonsense:
Treaties are ratified in the US Senate. The US Senate is under Democrat/Progressive majority control. Once signed, treaties are forever; they cannot be done away with by the next administration. "Republicans" have little control over this as a minority.
You don't actually know what is required to ratify a treaty, do you? A majority won't do it. Even 60 votes won't do it.
Reid v. Covert, 354 U.S. 1 (1957), was a landmark United States Supreme Court case in which the Court ruled that the Constitution supersedes international treaties ratified by the United States Senate.
Even if the U.N. were to pass an arms trade treaty that somehow violated U.S. gun owner rights and sovereignty, and even if the Senate were to ratify such a treaty, the Constitution would supercede such a treaty.
Even if the U.N. were to pass an arms trade treaty that somehow violated U.S. gun owner rights and sovereignty, and even if the Senate were to ratify such a treaty, the Constitution would supercede such a treaty.
Since when do the Democrats not attempt to supercede the Constitution?
I guess what you are saying is that the republicans are too inept to prevent yet another crisis. Does that about sum it up?
I pointed out that Democrats and Republicans alike wrote a letter of decent to Obama. As a Libertarian I stress how both parties are inept, and the parties have become a two-headed coin.
I guess you're stuck on the R vs. D merry-go-round. Does that about sum it up?
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Even if the U.N. were to pass an arms trade treaty that somehow violated U.S. gun owner rights and sovereignty, and even if the Senate were to ratify such a treaty, the Constitution would supercede such a treaty.
I remember Obama saying he couldn't grant unilateral amnesty (it is what it is) to millions of illegal aliens, because "he is constitutionally bound, it would be illegal."
What an utterly ridiculous and crazy thing to believe.
You have to be crazy not to believe it. The UN is making every effort to take tax money from US citizens through this treaty, cap and trade, the World Bank. WCIT to regulate the internet, Arms Treaty for gun control. We need to get the hell out of the UN before Obama gives away our entire Bill of Rights. How can any independent vote for this guy?
I pointed out that Democrats and Republicans alike wrote a letter of decent to Obama. As a Libertarian I stress how both parties are inept, and the parties have become a two-headed coin.
I guess you're stuck on the R vs. D merry-go-round. Does that about sum it up?
I remember Obama saying he couldn't grant unilateral amnesty (it is what it is) to millions of illegal aliens, because "he is constitutionally bound, it would be illegal."
Since when did the Constitution stop Obama and this disaster of a senate?
And when did the rule of law stop Obama? He is nullifying decades old laws with executive orders! Now that he has Roberts in his pocket, only the voters can stop him.
I guess you're stuck on the R vs. D merry-go-round. Does that about sum it up?
Hows that libertarian thing working out for you? Do you feel properly represented?
The truth is, unfortunately, that we do have an R vs. D merry go round. Especially here on CD. And I was responding with that in mind. It is always the other sides fault, blame always flows away.
What I failed to realize is that you and only you have the clarity to place blame at every ones feet, except for yours that is. For not realizing that you got it all figured out I guess I owe you an apology.
Hows that libertarian thing working out for you? Do you feel properly represented?
The truth is, unfortunately, that we do have an R vs. D merry go round. Especially here on CD. And I was responding with that in mind. It is always the other sides fault, blame always flows away.
What I failed to realize is that you and only you have the clarity to place blame at every ones feet, except for yours that is. For not realizing that you got it all figured out I guess I owe you an apology.
That Libertarian "thing" isn't properly represented. Why would you lay that at my feet?
We see the right, and the wrong, of both parties. You uber lefties only blame conservatives for everything, vice versa for the extreme right. Then you have the audacity to say libertarians blame everyone as if it's a cop out. What a douche position! We are under-represented because the rest of you are still in a partisan coma.
You have nobody to blame but yourselves for backing the most disgraceful, and absolute failure of an administration ever. Don't blame us for pointing it out. Just tell us how we're wrong, using facts, rather than attacking us. Oh wait, that's probably all you got; that and CNBC talking points. Do you like saltines or clubs?
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