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Old 05-10-2012, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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You obvious attempt at being insulting aside, you failed to use the powers of literacy to discern the point I made which invalidates your complaint.
Denial may be your best bet, but not your best friend. Let me give you a hint.

Name a country where Marxism has been implemented... and I will name you one where free market has thrived. BUT, I'm sure you can easily name socialism as existing WITHIN the USA. No?

 
Old 05-10-2012, 01:31 PM
 
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There is a definition of death. The fact that you can quantify stages of decomposition does not muddy the definition of death itself. That would be like saying that because you can describe water a particular way means that there is more than one definition.

Socialism has a definition, the fact that others see it as bad and want to afix it to other things that they deem bad is just ignorance.

People should argue things on their merits rather than use cheap labels.

It is really no different than Liberals and Conservatives referring to their opponents as Nazis (Godwin's law).

As it concerns liberty, it is appropriate.

The argument of definitions is appropriate when it concerns the specifics of a definition as it relates to the topic. Focusing on definition in the face of the point which does not require the specifics of such is a fallacious means of avoiding the point, much like focusing on the presentation of a point rather than the premise and conclusion the point establishes.

Basically, in simplistic terms, it is called changing the discussion away from the point at hand.
 
Old 05-10-2012, 01:34 PM
 
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Denial may be your best bet, but not your best friend. Let me give you a hint.

Name a country where Marxism has been implemented... and I will name you one where free market has thrived. BUT, I'm sure you can easily name socialism as existing WITHIN the USA. No?
Evasion, derailment, blah blah blah. /shrug
 
Old 05-10-2012, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Evasion, derailment, blah blah blah. /shrug
Evasion from putting you in place? Hell no, I live to have fun.

Try again. Here... for sake of convenience, to have one less excuse:
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Denial may be your best bet, but not your best friend. Let me give you a hint.

Name a country where Marxism has been implemented... and I will name you one where free market has thrived. BUT, I'm sure you can easily name socialism as existing WITHIN the USA. No?
 
Old 05-10-2012, 01:51 PM
 
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Evasion from putting you in place? Hell no, I live to have fun.

Try again. Here... for sake of convenience, to have one less excuse:

???

You can't be this stupid? Can you?
 
Old 05-10-2012, 01:56 PM
 
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As it concerns liberty, it is appropriate.

The argument of definitions is appropriate when it concerns the specifics of a definition as it relates to the topic. Focusing on definition in the face of the point which does not require the specifics of such is a fallacious means of avoiding the point, much like focusing on the presentation of a point rather than the premise and conclusion the point establishes.

Basically, in simplistic terms, it is called changing the discussion away from the point at hand.

So one should only discuss the definition of something when the discussion is only about the definition of something.

In the context of this discussion it seems like the definition of socialism is appropriate since the question is "Do you think that public education is socialism...".
 
Old 05-10-2012, 02:00 PM
 
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???

You can't be this stupid? Can you?
Expecting a response from you? No, I know that you don't have anything but parroting misinformation. I'm simply serving a reminder.
 
Old 05-10-2012, 02:54 PM
 
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So one should only discuss the definition of something when the discussion is only about the definition of something.

In the context of this discussion it seems like the definition of socialism is appropriate since the question is "Do you think that public education is socialism...".

No, one should not confuse definitions when the topic of focus is clear, only does a definition serve a purpose when that definition changes the specifics of an objection. In this case, the argument of socialism (a specific of position) and that of Marxism (an process of structure to a progression which contains socialism in its progression) is irrlevant to the fact of an objection to which points out that both are infringements on that of a position of individual liberty.

In the case of this discussion, we are talking about the process of socialized systems to which are merely a passing stage in the goal of Marxism.
 
Old 05-10-2012, 02:58 PM
 
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Expecting a response from you? No, I know that you don't have anything but parroting misinformation. I'm simply serving a reminder.
Yes, yes... You have babbled on about such in the CAGW threads as well. You have no clue of what you are talking about. You are simply a kid who thinks he knows something be it because they "feel" a connection to a specific ideal or that of a programming they have learned from their acceptance to a cause from their propaganda spewing professor.

I would lean to the latter as you seem to take offense when people assault the education system. That means you worship at the feet of your instructors and can not fathom a thought outside of their direction. When people say the educational system has failed, they really are talking about you.
 
Old 05-10-2012, 04:17 PM
 
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No, one should not confuse definitions when the topic of focus is clear, only does a definition serve a purpose when that definition changes the specifics of an objection. In this case, the argument of socialism (a specific of position) and that of Marxism (an process of structure to a progression which contains socialism in its progression) is irrlevant to the fact of an objection to which points out that both are infringements on that of a position of individual liberty.

In the case of this discussion, we are talking about the process of socialized systems to which are merely a passing stage in the goal of Marxism.
Your grammar and syntax are very confusing, is English not your first language?
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