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Old 09-19-2007, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Are you a proponent of a 2 class Law system?
Are you a proponent of a classless society?
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Old 09-19-2007, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Earning 531 (!!!!) times that of the regular hourly employee sounds totally absurd to me.
Why? The Free Enterprise System

Best on earth
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Old 09-19-2007, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Then there is the OJ Simpson's America. This psychopath gets bail on crimes that anyone of us, regular folk would be stuck in jail for. I have had boyfriend and girlfriend arguments that land the bf in jail with no bond and the regular guy has to sit in jail for some BS that even the gf is saying nothing happened . So please, if you are an OJ supporter, remember: OJ is part of the rich liberal America, the get-out-of-jail-free card America. The America that knows no law and no limits.
OJ is not rich - not by any stretch of the imagination

You are barking up the wrong tree
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Old 09-19-2007, 01:35 PM
 
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OJ is not rich - not by any stretch of the imagination

You are barking up the wrong tree
Ya know, it amazes me how many peoploe post without thinking.

OJ is rich. It has already come out, after this last arrest of his, that he has money in offshore accounts and of course all of that football memorabila that is now known that he had kept and he has yet to pay the Goldmans what he owes for that judgement. What in the hell do you think he has been living on? Peanuts? He lives in Florida, stays on the golf course, and does all sorts of things that only rich people can do constantly like him.
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Old 09-19-2007, 01:39 PM
 
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Are you a proponent of a classless society?
I know a LOT of people in our society that have absolutely NO CLASS at all !!---"Waiter, bring the lady here a bottle of that there BUBBLY !!----Me?---oh, I dunno---mmm- I guess anything that'll give me a good buzz ! Surprise me !"......
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Old 09-19-2007, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Ya know, it amazes me how many peoploe post without thinking.

OJ is rich. It has already come out, after this last arrest of his, that he has money in offshore accounts and of course all of that football memorabila that is now known that he had kept and he has yet to pay the Goldmans what he owes for that judgement. What in the hell do you think he has been living on? Peanuts? He lives in Florida, stays on the golf course, and does all sorts of things that only rich people can do constantly like him.
He gets his NFL pension - that's it.

Goldman has already gotten the off shore accounts

Goldman get all the other income OJ gets from autographs etc

Goldman has collected millions on the judgment
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Old 09-19-2007, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Wiesbaden, Germany
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Yes, I am a proponent of a classless society where everyone benefits from his or her own work and not from the luck of being born to wealthy parents. I am opposed to aristocracy in any of its forms.

BTW - there are some very wealthy Swedes. The Nobel family is only one example.
So, what if a person works hard and becomes rich? like pretty much every CEO in the US.... are we supposed to take everything from them and "redistribute" (I HATE THAT WORD!!!) it to the less fortunate? BTW, the reason I hate that word is because it is THEFT, stealing money, robbing. A felony you go to jail for unless you're in a socialist utopia...

and as far as inheriting wealth. When a wealthy person dies, all of their money should be taken away from them? Are you saying a baby is automatically bad just because they were born to "rich" parents?

Sometimes I don't think people actually look at what they write.. and that goes across the board..
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Old 09-19-2007, 01:55 PM
 
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Check out their tax law - excess is taxed
I think you've confused this with the "luxury tax." There is nothing in the Swedish law that prevents an owner from earning more than the employees of the company. Something that Sweden does have though is a wealth tax where you pay about 1.5% in tax on assets above 1.5 million SEK (approximately 250,000 USD) for a single person.

However, it should also be noted that today Sweden removed property tax - it wasn't very high to begin with though.
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Old 09-19-2007, 01:55 PM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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He gets his NFL pension - that's it.

Goldman has already gotten the off shore accounts

Goldman get all the other income OJ gets from autographs etc

Goldman has collected millions on the judgment
You are misinformed; Goldman has collect close to nothing of the $33.5 million judgment, which is now $38 with interest added.

I'm not sure what source you get your news from, but that is straight from Newsweek: Why Fred Goldman Wants O.J. Book Published - Newsweek National News - MSNBC.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17654356/site/newsweek/ - broken link)
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Old 09-19-2007, 01:55 PM
 
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I'd be somewhat more worried about the slowdown in 'income mobility' - what that means is that people born into poverty in America are increasingly likely to die in poverty, rather than 'moving on up' in income and class. In fact, a person born poor in Canada or most of the EU is more likely to escape poverty than someone born in the US. That wasn't always the case. Economists look at income in terms of 'deciles' - each decile is 10% of the income spectrum, from poorest to wealthiest.

What we see in the US is an increasing gap between the highest and lowest deciles. People who do well for themselves can use markets, trading schemes, investments, etc. to REALLY do well for themselves. Those at the bottom have none of those things.

Socially, if you want to see where that economic model leads, look to Brazil. People in chronic, utterly hopeless poverty in wealthy countries eventually turn to gangsterism. In a system where income mobility is still somewhat possible, this is mitigated. But when income deciles are really calcified at the bottom, the gangs continue to increase in strength and firepower.

Eventually, these gangs start branching out into things like ransom kidnappings and corruption of the police and local authorities. The wealthy, feeling under assault by these gangs, hire their own private militias to protect them, and they fortify the areas in which they live. They travel by helicopter rather than car.

The remaining middle class suffers due to its proximity to the gangsterism and poverty of the lowest classes.

I'm not saying that this is what WILL happen in the US. Merely that trends are trends. The murder rate is creeping back up in the US after a long decline. A lot of these indicators don't look so great.
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