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Old 05-31-2012, 07:56 AM
 
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That would be Wisconsin, not Wyoming. Close, but no cigar.
haha.. brain fart this morning.. thanks for the correction.
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:57 AM
 
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1) Preventing an agenda by pushing an agenda. Except in this case, it's probably not the best idea to NOT raise taxes
They already have the highest taxes in the nation, how much higher do you think they should go before you figure out your policies fail?
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Old 05-31-2012, 08:03 AM
 
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Scott Walker did away with low income tax credits, thereby increasing taxes. PS, the tax rate is not at 99.9999%...so let me get this straight, you want to gut the entire education budget before raising taxes? In what world is there no room to propose a slight tax increase in order to not have education be at literally bare bones?
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Old 05-31-2012, 08:06 AM
 
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General fund spending has gone from $102 billion to $85.9 billion in the last 6 years. There is simply a lack of revenue coming in. Thus more budget cuts and an increase in revenue would, obviously, balance the budget.
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Old 05-31-2012, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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1) Preventing an agenda by pushing an agenda. Except in this case, it's probably not the best idea to NOT raise taxes or try to release non-violent criminals out of prisons and using house arrest or other means.
More liberal double-talk, like spending less than originally intended, but more than last year, is somehow a "cut in spending."

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2) Welfare checks are not the largest line item. Welfare in general has seen MASSIVE cuts relative to the MASSIVE rise in people that need it in order to stabilize the lower middle class.

3) Prop 13 is part of the reason why the mess is this bad.
Socialist spending is indeed the largest budgetary line item in California, just as it is for the nation. Pretending a cut in projected spending, yet continuing to increase spending, is somehow a "MASSIVE" cut is an insult to the intelligence of every Californian.

Governor Moonbeam in his first two terms could not raise the revenue he wanted for his socialist utopia without "MASSIVE" increases in property taxes. That is why Californian voters passed Prop. 13, to keep future socialists from spending California into oblivion. It is one of the very few smart things Californian voters have ever done.
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Old 05-31-2012, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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General fund spending has gone from $102 billion to $85.9 billion in the last 6 years. There is simply a lack of revenue coming in. Thus more budget cuts and an increase in revenue would, obviously, balance the budget.
And there will continue to be a revenue shortfall as Californians are forced to flee the least business-friendly and highest taxed State in the nation.
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Old 05-31-2012, 08:09 AM
 
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1) Preventing an agenda by pushing an agenda. Except in this case, it's probably not the best idea to NOT raise taxes or try to release non-violent criminals out of prisons and using house arrest or other means.

2) Welfare checks are not the largest line item. Welfare in general has seen MASSIVE cuts relative to the MASSIVE rise in people that need it in order to stabilize the lower middle class.

3) Prop 13 is part of the reason why the mess is this bad.
And just WHY are you getting those MASSIVE rises in welfare recipient people?

You'd have to be pretty clouded with liberal mentality to be unable to see that a tiny rise in taxpayers with a very massive rise in welfare recipients isn't going to lead to problems.
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Old 05-31-2012, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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In order to raise taxes, thus fill the state coffers with money that was otherwise lost during the recession, we need a 2/3 vote. The right pushed for this. So instead California made cuts. The cuts made were more in education than in prisons. Again, more of the right pushing their agenda. The proposal was to have low level criminals released. Instead we decided to raise college tuition and cut funding (hurting a HUGE economic engine).

I do agree we need to make cuts. I agree that people should put more money into their pensions. However, increases in taxes should be put on the table. I don't understand why it is not. Why are large landowners paying so little in property taxes?

It would be great if people had a tempered approach to the budget crisis. This no tax increase mentality is what will doom California.
How is the right able to push their agenda in California when Democrats have controlled the legislature for decades?

California's teachers are perhaps the highest paid in the US and the state is rated "F" by the National Council on Teacher Quality for managing poor teachers out (i.e. firing them). LA's school district spent $578M on one high school.

California's public worker unions, including prison workers, own the politicians in the state.
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Old 05-31-2012, 08:12 AM
 
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Proposition 13 is good because states like Texas also have property tax relief for senior citizens.

It's extremely unfair to people who bought a house that they could afford and with taxes that they could afford and then up the taxes so that their house becomes unaffordable.

Or is home ownership really just a farce? The government really owns the homes and can run people out of their homes anytime it wants to make a big money grab?
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Old 05-31-2012, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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How is the right able to push their agenda in California when Democrats have controlled the legislature for decades?

California's teachers are perhaps the highest paid in the US and the state is rated "F" by the National Council on Teacher Quality for managing poor teachers out (i.e. firing them). LA's school district spent $578M on one high school.

California's public worker unions, including prison workers, own the politicians in the state.
It sounds like yet another State that needs to abolish all public sector unions for their own survival.
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