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Old 10-10-2012, 02:52 PM
 
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There isn't any money in it? Where do you get this garbage? Provide links.
What the f' you don't have internet access. 1.9B is Viagra. You can go down the list of top companies, and their revenue driver. You wont' fine vaccinations high on their list

A little dated (2010) but relevant data (Revenue)
1 - J&J (61B)
2 - Pfizer (50b)
3 - Roche (47b)
4 - GlaxoSmithKline (45B)
5 - Novartis (44B)

World Market (WORLD) for Pediatric 12B in 2010. 12B. Lipitor by itself made 7B in 2011. Plavix 6B.

You act like there is money to be made in the salt, when everyone would rather make cupcakes. Vaccinations are not driving revue for ANY of these companies. If Vaccination stopped (all of them) tommorow only 3 of the top 5 would be impacted, and even then by much.

There is no juice in this squeeze. . .



The Expanding Vaccine Market | Pharmaceutical Processing

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Old 10-10-2012, 03:08 PM
 
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They get caught, they pay pennies and keep on with business as usual.


Pharmaceutical Industry Cover-up
Nice Relevant 2005 article

I mean, who new Eliot was still out there doing something?!
 
Old 10-10-2012, 04:05 PM
 
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Originally Posted by ChrisFromChicago View Post
What the f' you don't have internet access. 1.9B is Viagra. You can go down the list of top companies, and their revenue driver. You wont' fine vaccinations high on their list

A little dated (2010) but relevant data (Revenue)
1 - J&J (61B)
2 - Pfizer (50b)
3 - Roche (47b)
4 - GlaxoSmithKline (45B)
5 - Novartis (44B)

World Market (WORLD) for Pediatric 12B in 2010. 12B. Lipitor by itself made 7B in 2011. Plavix 6B.

You act like there is money to be made in the salt, when everyone would rather make cupcakes. Vaccinations are not driving revue for ANY of these companies. If Vaccination stopped (all of them) tommorow only 3 of the top 5 would be impacted, and even then by much.

There is no juice in this squeeze. . .



The Expanding Vaccine Market | Pharmaceutical Processing
To post billions made by transnational corporations as nothing is simply silly. Billions are billions. Repeat business is a wonderful thing, especially if the govt is profiting and protecting you. Many other companies have poisoned and maimed for less. Someone stated that protecting these companies from liability is so they will continue to save humanity. (paraphrasing) Talk about blinders.

As to conspiracy. I didn't see someone say it was. Did they?
Since when is making money a conspiracy. Maybe they think they are doing "God's Work". The prescription stuff comes out a high price and then often turns generic. So there is a shorter window.
 
Old 10-10-2012, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Originally Posted by ChrisFromChicago View Post
What the f' you don't have internet access. 1.9B is Viagra. You can go down the list of top companies, and their revenue driver. You wont' fine vaccinations high on their list

A little dated (2010) but relevant data (Revenue)
1 - J&J (61B)
2 - Pfizer (50b)
3 - Roche (47b)
4 - GlaxoSmithKline (45B)
5 - Novartis (44B)

World Market (WORLD) for Pediatric 12B in 2010. 12B. Lipitor by itself made 7B in 2011. Plavix 6B.

You act like there is money to be made in the salt, when everyone would rather make cupcakes. Vaccinations are not driving revue for ANY of these companies. If Vaccination stopped (all of them) tommorow only 3 of the top 5 would be impacted, and even then by much.

There is no juice in this squeeze. . .



The Expanding Vaccine Market | Pharmaceutical Processing
from his own link

Vaccines continue to be one of the brighter spots for pharmaceutical companies in the current market, and revenues for vaccine products are expected to continue their double-digit growth in the future. Driving that growth is an increasing acceptance of adult vaccines and the public health focus on flu prevention, as well as introductions of new vaccines. Improved production techniques will also play a role in enabling the products to come to market.
 
Old 10-10-2012, 05:32 PM
 
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from his own link

Vaccines continue to be one of the brighter spots for pharmaceutical companies in the current market, and revenues for vaccine products are expected to continue their double-digit growth in the future. Driving that growth is an increasing acceptance of adult vaccines and the public health focus on flu prevention, as well as introductions of new vaccines. Improved production techniques will also play a role in enabling the products to come to market.
Apparently, there is some real growth potential there.
World Vaccines Market: Vaccine Segments Analysis, Vaccine Cases and Future Forecast by Renub Research in Research & Development, Vaccines, Global

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-vacc...093000073.html

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Old 10-10-2012, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Health Cover-up Summary

"The combined profits for the ten drug companies in the Fortune 500 ($35.9 billion) were more than the profits for all the other 490 businesses put together ($33.7 billion) [in 2002]. Over the past two decades the pharmaceutical industry has moved very far from its original high purpose of discovering and producing useful new drugs. Now primarily a marketing machine to sell drugs of dubious benefit, this industry uses its wealth and power to co-opt every institution that might stand in its way, including the US Congress, the FDA, academic medical centers, and the medical profession itself."

-- Dr. Marcia Angell, former editor in chief of the New England Journal of Medicine

The same companies also spend heavily to lobby governments. According to Angell, Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, the pharmaceutical industry's U.S. trade association has "the largest lobby in Washington," which in 2002 employed 675 lobbyists (including 26 former members of Congress) at a cost of more than $91 million. The result has been above-average growth in corporate profits during both Republican and Democratic administrations.
The most recent and perplexing lobbying effort caused Congress explicitly to prohibit Medicare from using its huge purchasing power to get lower prices for drugs, thus opening up a dollar pipeline, in the form of higher drug prices, directly from taxpayers to corporate coffers. These changes, along with the cave-in by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in 1997 that permitted direct-to-consumer advertising to bypass mention in their ads of all but the most serious side effects, have further augmented profits. The overall effect has been a corruption not only of science but also of the dissemination of science.
Angell documents that, contrary to what they claim, large pharmaceutical companies have "paltry output" in innovative research. In fact, as permitted by Bayh-Dole, pharmaceutical companies buy discoveries coming out of the basic-science enterprises, including universities and publicly funded granting agencies. The real costs of research on drugs by pharmaceutical companies are much less than the oft-quoted $800 million or so per new drug brought to market. Most of their research is on me-too drugs – unoriginal, tax-deductible (and thus paid for in lost taxes by the public), and mostly unnecessary. The Big Pharma companies are, in essence, manufacturing and marketing companies.
Health Cover-up
If you do not want the current process of developing and selling pharmaceuticals, you have to come up with a different way to do it.

I personally feel that "competition" in medicine is not always the best way to go.

But if we require pharmamceutical companies to compete, then we have to treat them like businesses. They are manufacturing companies, and they have to make a profit to stay in business. To compete, they have to market.

As for lobbying, your figures are out of date.

Lobbyists | OpenSecrets

Top Interest Groups Giving to Members of Congress, 2012 Cycle | OpenSecrets

The top lobbyist group is lawyers!

If you do not wish to use medications, including vaccines, the rest of us do. The cost of bringing a new drug to market has to cover the costs for all the drugs that do not pan out and are never brought to market.
 
Old 10-10-2012, 05:52 PM
 
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I once ask our dog's Vet how many diseases are caused by animals.

He said all diseases are from animals.

Gives me an understanding of this Scripture ' "...behold a Pale Horse
and the name of him who sat on it was Death
and Hades followed with him.

And power was given to them over a 4th part of the earth
to kill with sword, with hunger, with death,
and By The Beasts 0f The Earth." - Rev.6:7,8
 
Old 10-10-2012, 06:14 PM
 
Location: California
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I once ask our dog's Vet how many diseases are caused by animals.

He said all diseases are from animals.

Gives me an understanding of this Scripture ' "...behold a Pale Horse
and the name of him who sat on it was Death
and Hades followed with him.

And power was given to them over a 4th part of the earth
to kill with sword, with hunger, with death,
and By The Beasts 0f The Earth." - Rev.6:7,8
Well THAT and the fact that we humans are animals too I'm guessing.
 
Old 10-10-2012, 07:33 PM
 
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from his own link

Vaccines continue to be one of the brighter spots for pharmaceutical companies in the current market, and revenues for vaccine products are expected to continue their double-digit growth in the future. Driving that growth is an increasing acceptance of adult vaccines and the public health focus on flu prevention, as well as introductions of new vaccines. Improved production techniques will also play a role in enabling the products to come to market.
i'm not disputing there isn't a FUTURE in vacines, just that it is some grand multi-billion conspiracy worthy event. This whole conspiracy is from the 1980's or earlier, one that just keeps truckin truckin trucking to the point we have kids now dying of whooping cough.


It really is a conspiracy if you think Pharma + govt + media are all in cahoots to autisimfy your kid, falsify evidence for what these companies see as pocket change. Its just not that worth it. . .What else do you call it?
 
Old 10-10-2012, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Immunizations certainly don't make money for the doctors:

Vaccinations Can Be Money-Losers For Doctors : Shots - Health Blog : NPR

**But many doctors who administer the vaccinations lose money on them, according to new data from athenahealth, a company that helps doctors with electronic billing and medical records.

After looking at what insurers paid more than 1,400 doctors for eight different vaccines, athenahealth concluded that almost half the time the payments weren't large enough to cover estimated costs.**


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