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Old 10-12-2012, 04:25 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Bosco55David View Post
This is somewhat correct, but you've chosen your words to create an implication that doesn't really exist.

Yes, a small percentage of the population can have negative side effects to immunizations. A very small percentage of that small percentage may have severe side effects (though Autism is not one of them). You know what else this is true for?

Peanut butter.

You see, when someone has an allergic reaction to peanut butter, it is not the peanut butter "causing" the damage, in the strictest biological sense, it is just a reaction to a certain body. Same logic applies to vaccines.
We already discussed allergies in this thread. Yes many things can kill or harm certain individuals. I did not create any implication, just the facts. There are those on here advocating forced injection. Will they claim responsibility? They also imply it's all good. There is no one size fits all.

 
Old 10-12-2012, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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We already discussed allergies in this thread. Yes many things can kill or harm certain individuals. I did not create any implication, just the facts. There are those on here advocating forced injection. Will they claim responsibility? They also imply it's all good. There is no one size fits all.
Actually you did create the implication. You said the vaccines can cause harm. This is not true. The reaction causes harm.
 
Old 10-12-2012, 05:12 PM
 
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Bosco55David...do you think people could have a "reaction" if they've not been vaccinated?
 
Old 10-12-2012, 05:14 PM
 
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This is flawed. Reality appears to be holographic and fractal by nature, not 2D. Everyone is an individual. There are many variables in any situation. Choice aside, what is known is these vaccines can cause harm. No authority disputes this.
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THE ONLY HARM HERE WE HAVE INCLUDED IS AUTISIM

This is a red herring at its best, or perhaps strawman. I never said that a vacinne can't ever hurt. . .said it didn't create autisim.
 
Old 10-12-2012, 05:16 PM
 
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We already discussed allergies in this thread. Yes many things can kill or harm certain individuals. I did not create any implication, just the facts. There are those on here advocating forced injection. Will they claim responsibility? They also imply it's all good. There is no one size fits all.
Forced injection, unless you have a specific allergy, is what is called for.

not doing so is a bit like everyone staying underground because you could, just maybe, get hit in the head by a meteorite.
 
Old 10-12-2012, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Forced injection, unless you have a specific allergy, is what is called for.

not doing so is a bit like everyone staying underground because you could, just maybe, get hit in the head by a meteorite.
Meteorite risks:

Death by meteorite | Bad Astronomy | Discover Magazine

"Astronomer Alan Harris has made that calculation. Allowing for the number of Earth-crossing asteroids — the kind that can hit us because their orbits around the Sun intersect ours — as well as how much damage they can do (which depends on their size), he calculated that any person’s lifetime odds of being killed by an asteroid impact are about 1 in 700,000."

Vaccine risks:

Vaccines: Vac-Gen/Some Misconceptions

"As for vaccines causing death, again so few deaths can plausibly be attributed to vaccines that it is hard to assess the risk statistically. Of all deaths reported to VAERS between 1990 and 1992, only one is believed to be even possibly associated with a vaccine. Each death reported to VAERS is thoroughly examined to ensure that it is not related to a new vaccine-related problem, but little or no evidence suggests that vaccines have contributed to any of the reported deaths. The Institute of Medicine in its 1994 report states that the risk of death from vaccines is 'extraordinarily low.'"
 
Old 10-12-2012, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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The link does not give the title of the review, its authors, or the name of the publication in which it appears. Care to provide a link to the article itself?
Here is the website for Cochrane Collaboration, lots of studies!
The Cochrane Collaboration | Working together to provide the best evidence for health care
 
Old 10-12-2012, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Purehuman. Note we provide evidence, they provide insults. We say educate yourselves, they say "shut up". That's how they debate! it would be funny if lives weren't at risk.

Cochrane Collaboration study:
A remarkable study published in the Cochrane Library found no evidence of benefit for influenza vaccinations. It’s also damns the quality of flu vaccine studies by saying that the vast majority of trials were inadequate. The authors stated that the only ones showing benefit were industry-funded.

The authors found:
  • Vaccines administered parenterally, that is, outside the digestive tract—which generally means by injection—reduced influenza-like symptoms by only 4%.
  • They found no evidence that vaccination prevents viral transmission in healthy adults! (There goes the whole herd immunity argument!) This is particularly significant because, as they noted, inactivated vaccines are known to perform best in healthy adults.
  • They also found no evidence that flu vaccines prevent complications, either. They attempted to ascertain the degree of complications, and though they did report on some, most of the studies simply did not address the issue or did so inadequately.
“…industry funded studies were published in more prestigious journals and cited more than other studies…”
“…reliable evidence on influenza vaccines is thin…”
“…there is evidence of widespread manipulation of conclusions…”

No Value in Any Influenza Vaccine: Cochrane Collaboration Study | Center for Advanced Medicine & Clinical Research
I have never told anyone to shut up.
 
Old 10-12-2012, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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We already discussed allergies in this thread. Yes many things can kill or harm certain individuals. I did not create any implication, just the facts. There are those on here advocating forced injection. Will they claim responsibility? They also imply it's all good. There is no one size fits all.
I can also see them saying you must take public transportation, because we don't know when you last had your brakes checked or your tires inflated. You could be a danger to yourself and others.
That's where this kind of thinking is going. Individual choice must be sacrificed for the good of the collective - even tho it's based on lies - they get the power over us they seek.
 
Old 10-12-2012, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Actually you did create the implication. You said the vaccines can cause harm. This is not true. The reaction causes harm.
come again?
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