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Old 05-16-2012, 03:51 AM
 
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"between 18-24 40 percent expressing interest in foreign relocation..."
Many young Americans may want to leave, but they haven't considered the options, and they can't leave.

Where are they going to go? Europe? Europe has heaps of problems and lower standard of living. New Zealand is far away from everything and has low wages. Only Australia and a couple of countries in Europe are comparable, but they are very difficult to get into. There are no options for them.

For kiwis, there are heaps of options. Also, if an American want to see something different, they will just move to another state. That obviously won't work in New Zealand.
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:22 AM
 
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Many young Americans may want to leave, but they haven't considered the options, and they can't leave.

Where are they going to go? Europe? Europe has heaps of problems and lower standard of living. New Zealand is far away from everything and has low wages. Only Australia and a couple of countries in Europe are comparable, but they are very difficult to get into. There are no options for them.

For kiwis, there are heaps of options. Also, if an American want to see something different, they will just move to another state. That obviously won't work in New Zealand.
Some Europien countries do have much higher living standards than we do. I am now telling you not about large homes, huge (plus ineffective) cars and so on, but about really imo important things: free or inexpensive education, great medical coverage, low crime. Look at Northern Europe and Germany. Europe is very-very different, you can't say just "Europe", you really have to specify.

I agree with your arguments about "most of them will never leave", but the real problem for the country is that these young citizens WANT to leave, think, almost half of them! Even if they stay, they are not happy here, they do not see much ahead for themselves. And it all came in recent years.
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:26 AM
 
Location: NC
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Well Ireland's austerity is working well for Australia and New Zealand with well trained experienced professionals leaving Ireland for Aus. or NZ.
It will be interesting if the USA goes down the path of harsh austerity, it will give us a lot of liberal professionals to pick and choose from.
Sorry conservatives who are of course religious; would not be comfortable in countries where the majority non-religion is being a heathen who spends Sundays fishing instead of being on our knees.
Yes, by all means follow this in your personal life. Anti Austerity...

Finance the biggest and gaudiest most wasteful things you can, that you will have no hope of paying off.
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:46 AM
 
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Some Europien countries do have much higher living standards than we do. I am now telling you not about large homes, huge (plus ineffective) cars and so on, but about really imo important things:
Large homes, and inexpensive cars are important for living standards. Do you want to live in a small apartment in London, or a house with a pool in America. Do you want ride a cool car, or a Toyota Yaris?

I am not saying there are no countries who have similar or higher standard of living, such as Australia, Switzerland and Norway. But, these countries are also very hard to immigrate to, especially when you don't know the language. Other countries in Europe and elsewhere do not have a higher standard of living.

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free or inexpensive education,
America has free or inexpensive education. Just attend a public school. There are many really good public schools in America. The best schools (public and private) in America are much better than the best schools in Germany and Nothern Europe.

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great medical coverage
No European country has great medical coverage. They all suffer from long lines, bad service or lack of treatments.

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low crime.
The european low crime myth, is a myth. Europe do not have low crime, in fact Sweden is the rape capital of Europe. What America suffer from is a high murder rate, but that is because of gang violence which do not affect the upper class very much. And remember, it is the upper class who would potentially emigrate.


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I agree with your arguments about "most of them will never leave", but the real problem for the country is that these young citizens WANT to leave, think, almost half of them! Even if they stay, they are not happy here, they do not see much ahead for themselves. And it all came in recent years.
Young people want to leave in both Europe and America. Youth unemployment is a huge problem, and if they do get jobs, it is often low paid. The west is in decline, and the ones who are suffering the most are the young.

We in the west has failed to create sustainable policies, and prepare the youth for the future. We thought we could expect ever rising living standards. We were wrong, we can not expect anything. We need to work for it.
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:56 AM
 
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Haha, I am very much afraid we can not expect anything EVEN if we work.
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Old 05-16-2012, 09:51 AM
 
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Argentina increased their money supply by over 20 percent.

Government spending as a percentage of gdp increased by 6.9 percent over the last 3 years

"Subsidies, for example, are an integral part of government policy and are implemented in the energy, transport, rural, agriculture and some industrial sectors. According to ASAP, a government spending watchdog, subsidies during the first half of 2011 totaled $32.4bn – a 73% increase on the same period in 2010. "
I was referring to the crisis between 1999 and 2002.

Yeah, IMF to the rescue, with their Americanized, K-Street, Wall Street solution to everything: cut, cut, and cut.

In theory, cutting the budgets was supposed to help Argentina balance its budget. But every time they cut the budget, the cut jobs, which meant that there was tax less revenue going to the treasury.

The point is, if you're going to cut, you cut when the private sector capital markets are strong, not when they're weak. If you cut when they're weak, you'll end up making the budget problems worse. And that's exactly what they did. The budget problems were never resolved through cuts; in fact, they might have been worsened. If people think that cutting Obama's spending is going to shrink the deficit now, they're sorely mistaken. Economics doesn't work like that.
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Old 05-16-2012, 09:54 AM
 
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Yes, by all means follow this in your personal life. Anti Austerity...

Finance the biggest and gaudiest most wasteful things you can, that you will have no hope of paying off.
Personal finance and financing a government and its economy are two entirely different things.
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Old 05-16-2012, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I can see why an educated young person would like to move out of the mess we have created for them. What good is an expensive education if you cannot get a job that will support you while pay off your debt? The big suburban house with a new fancy car is just a dream for most of the recent graduates. Their reality is an efficiency apartment and Raman Noodles every night with the Federal bill collector taking whatever salary you might be lucky enough to earn.

If you do not have the education the future is even worse. You get the choice between Wally World schlepping crates of junk or a stint in the Army overseas messing with the natives for an oil company's profits. If you get sick or have an accident you are really in trouble. The hospital may have to treat you but you will always be liable for the cost. How do you pay off a 25k hospital bill with a $10 an hour part time job? Simple, you do not.

All of this does not apply to the kids that had the foresight to be born into a plutocratic family with enough money to pay for the Ivy League Education obtained with a legacy admission to your daddy’s alma mater. Even after you graduate you just take your allowance and buy a fancy, really fancy, new car and go trolling for opportunistic chicks. You do not care about a big suburban house. You just live with the family ion the mansion. Your America is indeed then Land of Opportunity. The Opportunity to lord it over the peasants and live the “Good Life” at everyone else’s expense exists for you.

These times are indeed Mourning for America. Good luck kids.
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Old 05-16-2012, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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CFB - the IMF is a highly organized gang of Vulture Capitalists hell bent on keeping everyone in poverty and preventing economic growth at any cost to their victims. The countries that have told the IMF loan sharks to F off are becoming self sufficient.
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Old 05-16-2012, 11:29 AM
 
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I am not saying there are no countries who have similar or higher standard of living, such as Australia, Switzerland and Norway. But, these countries are also very hard to immigrate to, especially when you don't know the language. Other countries in Europe and elsewhere do not have a higher standard of living. .
That very much depends on what you want in a standard of living. America has big houses and cars, cheap gadgets. Europe has longer vacations, more personal freedoms, and better medical care.

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No European country has great medical coverage. They all suffer from long lines, bad service or lack of treatments.
I am sorry but that is delusional.

France is generally considered to have the best coverage, but all European systems have 100% coverage. And nearly all get significantly better results than America, with shorter waits to see a specialist, lower amendable mortality, maternal mortality etc.

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The european low crime myth, is a myth. Europe do not have low crime, in fact Sweden is the rape capital of Europe. What America suffer from is a high murder rate, but that is because of gang violence which do not affect the upper class very much. And remember, it is the upper class who would potentially emigrate.
You can't compare crimes like that between countries, because they are far more affected by the citizens faith in the justice system than the incidence of crime. Basically, does the average person believe reporting the crime will do any good.

When you compare it like that, Mexico look like it has a much lower crime rate than America.

The only crime that actually compares across brders is murder. It is investigated regardless.
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