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Old 05-16-2012, 06:43 PM
 
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Where is Mr. Potter, or should I say Mrs.Merke,l when you need her?

"Updated at 12:05 p.m. ET: Political leaders in Athens were due to discuss an emergency government Wednesday to deal with a possible run on banks as it emerged Greeks withdrew almost $900 million in a single day, fearing their country could crash out of the euro currency by the end of the week.
An interim government would take the country through to new elections on June 17, triggered by the collapse on Tuesday of talks to form a coalition between winners of the inconclusive May 6 election.
Greeks are withdrawing euros from banks, apparently afraid of the prospect of rapid devaluation if the country leaves the European single currency and returns to the drachma.
President Karolos Papoulias warned of “great fear that could develop into a panic,” the minutes of Papoulias' negotiations with political leaders showed, according to Reuters."


Well I should say anybody who has anything left...........


“Over the last two years Greeks withdrew approximately 70 billion euros from their bank accounts, an amount equivalent to approximately 35 percent of Greek GDP,” Dr Michael Arghyrou, senior economics lecturer at Cardiff Business School in Wales told msnbc.com."

World News - Greeks withdraw $894 million in a day: Is this beginning of a run on banks?

................coming to a neighborhood near you, due to continued RECKLESS and DANGEROUS federal spending.

The liberal answer? Keep on spending and let chaos unfold.
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Old 05-16-2012, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Ehm - no? At least not according to the CIA factbook, that is.

Greece's GDP per capita, 2011: $27,600
Greece's military expenditures: 4.3% of GDP.

Doing a bit of 7th grade math, we get a rough per-capita expenditure of $1187 for Greece.

US GDP per capita, 2011: $48,100
US military expenditures: 4.06% of GDP.

Ooh, this is hard - is 4.06% of 48,100 more or less than 4.3% of 27,600? Well, it turns out that it's more! - $1953, give or take.

US defense expenditure per capita is considerably higher than those of Greece. Which everybody knew, of course.

Here, if anyone wants to check my math:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/gr.html
Heard it on BBC. Cannot locate link. Anyway, last year's numbers...

List of countries by military expenditures - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nice try with the 7th grade elitism. Make sure you let BBC know you have the facts and they don't.
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Old 05-16-2012, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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................coming to a neighborhood near you, due to continued RECKLESS and DANGEROUS federal spending.

The liberal answer? Keep on spending and let chaos unfold.
We already debunked the meme that it's all about the welfare state:
//www.city-data.com/forum/24282325-post4.html

Greece needs to get onto their own currency, which can adjust.
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Old 05-16-2012, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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We already debunked the meme that it's all about the welfare state:
//www.city-data.com/forum/24282325-post4.html

Greece needs to get onto their own currency, which can adjust.
Downwards. One way or another austerity is going to be a fact of life in Greece for years to come. Best to do it under the august of the EU. At least they'll have free movement within the EU.
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:12 PM
 
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Downwards. One way or another austerity is going to be a fact of life in Greece for years to come. Best to do it under the august of the EU. At least they'll have free movement within the EU.
Yep. Greece's best chance is the EU. Nobody else will want to lend them any money.
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Downwards. One way or another austerity is going to be a fact of life in Greece for years to come. Best to do it under the august of the EU. At least they'll have free movement within the EU.
Yes downwards. That's the point. If Greece had their own currency the could devalue it. Devaluation wouldn’t reduce the debt burden. But it would reduce the macroeconomic costs of fiscal austerity.

If Greece had its own currency, it could try to offset this contraction with an expansionary monetary policy — including a devaluation to gain export competitiveness. As long as it’s in the euro, however, Greece can do nothing to limit the macroeconomic costs of fiscal contraction and it avoids years of pain and suffering.
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:33 PM
 
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Yes downwards. That's the point. If Greece had their own currency the could devalue it. Devaluation wouldn’t reduce the debt burden. But it would reduce the macroeconomic costs of fiscal austerity.

If Greece had its own currency, it could try to offset this contraction with an expansionary monetary policy — including a devaluation to gain export competitiveness. As long as it’s in the euro, however, Greece can do nothing to limit the macroeconomic costs of fiscal contraction and it avoids years of pain and suffering.
I would use the same argument for California
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:44 PM
 
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I would use the same argument for California
Greece has the right and power to issue its own currency. California does not.
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:57 PM
 
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Greece has the right and power to issue its own currency. California does not.
Interesting question. Technically they have the power. But are they so dependent on the EU that the power is not really usable?
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Old 05-16-2012, 09:54 PM
 
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Yes downwards. That's the point. If Greece had their own currency the could devalue it. Devaluation wouldn’t reduce the debt burden. But it would reduce the macroeconomic costs of fiscal austerity.

If Greece had its own currency, it could try to offset this contraction with an expansionary monetary policy — including a devaluation to gain export competitiveness. As long as it’s in the euro, however, Greece can do nothing to limit the macroeconomic costs of fiscal contraction and it avoids years of pain and suffering.
Their living standards would also reduce accordingly. They would be unable to finance their deficits for the foreseeable future. Going on the drachma is no silver bullet.

Anyway looks like Merkel is buckling, the German people should consider themselves lucky they have a leader willing to fork over their money to Greece.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/wo...l-says.html?hp
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