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In one of the last steps toward selling gasoline with higher concentrations of ethanol, the EPA finalized a label that will identify gas pumps dispensing E15 ethanol, a fuel containing 15 percent ethanol and 85 percent gasoline. (Read: "Move over E85, here comes E15.")
The new orange label displays "E15" in large type and states that the fuel is for use only in 2001 or newer model-year vehicles or flex-fuel vehicles, and that it is illegal to use it in other vehicles or in power equipment such as lawnmowers.
In response to the release of the labels, nine automakers—including Chrysler, General Motors, and Toyota—wasted no time writing letters to Congress criticizing the proposal and noting that they will not honor warranties for older cars running on E15. The automakers say they are concerned about the effects of E15 on engines, fuel pumps, and other fuel-system components in cars that were not designed for it. (Learn more about ethanol: "The great ethanol debate.")
That 2005 Hyundai you bought with the 100,000 mile warranty? Forget it! If you run Big Government Gasoline in it, you can kiss your repair coverage goodbye.
A big thank you to the All Knowing United States Government and the Liberal Environmental Protection Agency for looking out for the commoner!
Most automakers, including General Motors and Chrysler, have not placed explicit E15 warnings on their gas caps. Still, the auto industry is part of a broad legal challenge to stop E15.
"We have opposed pushing E15 into the marketplace without adequate testing," said Gloria Bergquist, vice president of communications for the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, a trade group representing 12 automakers including Ford, GM, Chrysler and Toyota.
Toyota decided about a year ago to add an E15 gas-cap message that says "Up to E10 gasoline only."
"Our vehicles aren't backward compatible with E15, and we didn't know when it was going to hit the market," said Toyota spokeswoman Cindy Knight. "We don't want customers to damage their vehicles. It would not be covered under warranty."
Ford's ethanol message on its gas portal -- its vehicles don't have caps -- dates to 2006. The idea was to warn motorists not to fill up with high-ethanol blends of E20 to E85 at pumps meant for flexible-fuel vehicles, said Cynthia Williams, Ford's environmental policy manger.
The message doesn't mention E15, only because it wasn't a commonly sold blend for flex vehicles, she said. As E15 begins to be sold for conventional vehicles, the message could add to motorists' confusion. Ford is considering changing it, she said.
"Ford does not support the use of E15 in legacy vehicles," said Williams, who advised people to consult their owner's manual about the proper fuel.
"Even with the EPA approval and the new labels, other hurdles remain for gas station operators to begin pumping E15. Because stations will need to continue to provide regular fuel for older cars and power equipment, they would need to install a new underground storage tank and pump to offer E15—a significant expense."
Why, if you have an older vehicle, can't you continue to gas up with the E10 gas? Just use the E10 fuel for your 2005 vehicle.
"Even with the EPA approval and the new labels, other hurdles remain for gas station operators to begin pumping E15. Because stations will need to continue to provide regular fuel for older cars and power equipment, they would need to install a new underground storage tank and pump to offer E15—a significant expense."
Why, if you have an older vehicle, can't you continue to gas up with the E10 gas? Just use the E10 fuel for your 2005 vehicle.
because stopping the mandate and subsidy is a better idea.
Corn farmer?
I guess we have idiots here who are pining for the long lost days when we could burn gas with methyl tert-butyl ether MTBE and tetra-methyl lead! Don't you just miss the micron sized lead particles blowing in the wind of our cities and towns!
"Even with the EPA approval and the new labels, other hurdles remain for gas station operators to begin pumping E15. Because stations will need to continue to provide regular fuel for older cars and power equipment, they would need to install a new underground storage tank and pump to offer E15—a significant expense."
Why, if you have an older vehicle, can't you continue to gas up with the E10 gas? Just use the E10 fuel for your 2005 vehicle.
You can, sure. That's not the issue. The issue is that if you DO run a government-approved gasoline in your vehicle, then you can kiss your warranty goodbye. Now, how many motorists do you think are actually in tune with their cars and gasoline standards enough to know that E15 will void a warranty? Its not logical to assume that if you pull up to the gas pump that you have to be wary of your gas selection or else void your warranty. Do you not see the disconnect here?
because stopping the mandate and subsidy is a better idea.
Corn farmer?
Perhaps, but I was addressing the OP's orginal argument, which appeared to claim that soon all that will be available will be E15 gasoline, whereas his own linked article noted that the older type of gasoline would still be available.
Now, if you wish to start a thread about whether this 'mandate' should go into effect, and whether corn subsidies should be abolished, please do so.
I obviously am not a farmer of corn. I do work. Go thou and do likewise.
Perhaps, but I was addressing the OP's orginal argument, which appeared to claim that soon all that will be available will be E15 gasoline, whereas his own linked article noted that the older type of gasoline would still be available.
Now, if you wish to start a thread about whether this 'mandate' should go into effect, and whether corn subsidies should be abolished, please do so.
I obviously am not a farmer of corn. I do work. Go thou and do likewise.
You need to stop assuming. That's not what I stated...asserted....implied....or assumed. Lawyers are professional liars, we know that. But you can refrain from these semantics on the forum.
You can, sure. That's not the issue. The issue is that if you DO run a government-approved gasoline in your vehicle, then you can kiss your warranty goodbye. Now, how many motorists do you think are actually in tune with their cars and gasoline standards enough to know that E15 will void a warranty? Its not logical to assume that if you pull up to the gas pump that you have to be wary of your gas selection or else void your warranty. Do you not see the disconnect here?
Well, you must be very, very careful when you gas up your vehicle. Remember when all gasoline was 'leaded' and we started to phrase in 'unleaded'? Yes, people had to be careful not to put 'leaded' gas into their new 'unleaded' gas.
Mind, I am not for E15. I am responding to the original posting of yours, which made it should (for those not reading the link) like soon all gas would be E15 and people would be out of luck on their warranties.
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