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Old 05-18-2012, 12:49 PM
 
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge View Post
AeroGuy-look closer at your report.

Far right column---CITIZENS (Obama's mother was a citizen by anyone's measure)-BY AIR (one would hardly think she'd traveled by SEA) is ZERO.
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for starters the 1961 US immigration. their records show that there were zero US citizens that traveled from kenya to the US by air between june 30, 1961 and june 30, 1962
Why are we limiting it to air? Because it adds an additional layer to the mystique and therefore reinforces the agenda? None of you can say whether she flew or traveled by sea. While it's not likely she traveled by sea, you're making an assumption. On what basis are you making that assumption? This whole story is full of holes....that you'd assert definitively that she traveled by air is a stretch considering all the other variables in this family tree.
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Old 05-18-2012, 12:54 PM
 
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....the intent is to point out that the poster seems to be erroneous in their assertion.
i specifically pointed out that it was "by air" in my original post.
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Old 05-18-2012, 12:56 PM
 
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Why are we limiting it to air?
for starters because it would have been impossible to travel by standard sea routes from kenya and have made it back in time to attend school in seattle in september.
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Old 05-18-2012, 12:56 PM
 
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100% of them arrived by sea as it explicitly indicates. Zero arrived by air.

And not even the nuttiest Birther suggests Obama's mother took the slow boat from Kenya.
And not even the slovenish paid contributor can prove that she didn't.
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Old 05-18-2012, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Still looks like Obama's a Birther.
Like I said... neural normal.
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Old 05-18-2012, 12:58 PM
 
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for starters because it would have been impossible to travel by standard sea routes from kenya and have made it back in time to attend school in seattle in september.
That's your assumption. That doesn't make it fact. If your argument is based on assumption, then you should say so. That way the playing field is level, because we can ALL make crazy assumptions to support our case, right?
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Old 05-18-2012, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Chicago area
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I really don't get why anyone would think the man was born in Kenya. His parents met in the US and dated in the US. Why would his pregnant mother have gone to Kenya? What would be the reason?
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Old 05-18-2012, 01:07 PM
 
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That's your assumption.
it's more than just assumption. it's been a couple years since i did it but it was based on the cruising speed of the queen mary ( one of the fastest ships in 1961 ) following standard shipping routes and allowing 1 day for stops based on refueling needs ( again based on specs/consumption of the queen mary ).

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Old 05-18-2012, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Why are we limiting it to air?
Because that's what the Birther lie has always required. The Birther story is that she had him in Kenya because they wouldn't let her on her plane back to the states at an advanced stage of pregnancy. So (the lie continues) she stayed, had him there, and then took a subsequent flight home.

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While it's not likely she traveled by sea, you're making an assumption.
No... just sticking to the idiotic Birther narrative. But that said, at least (as you admit) it's a "likely" assumption to make, as contrasting with the entire idiotic Birther lie which was never likely and never had any evidence to begin with.

It is also fascinating to watch Birthers again rewriting their narrative when caught with their pants down. In four years, no Birther ever suggested that Obama and his mother traveled home by sea... until their long held story blew up in the face of those nasty little facts.

This is diagnostic of pathological lying... the story that evolves and mutates in the face of its own impossibility.

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This whole story is full of holes....that you'd assert definitively that she traveled by air is a stretch considering all the other variables in this family tree.
The anti-Birther story has never had any holes in it. It is simple, ordinary, uncontroversial and supported by every single piece of actual evidence that exists. The story is that he was born in Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu Hawaii... just as all the documentary evidence proves and every person in a position to know has always testified.

Now... if you want a story with holes; you want to tell us again how two poor college students, one of them 9 months pregnant, managed to travel to the opposite end of the globe in 1961 at the relative cost of about $7,000? Then how did they end up in a hospital in Mombasa when they were allegedly visiting Obama's family in Nyang’oma Kogelo which (if Birthers had bothered to look at a map) was several hours over unimproved dirt roads from Mombasa, and far closer to even better hospitals in Nairobi?

In fact, how was Ann Dunham even able to travel to Kenya at all given the extensive immunizations required... several of which were prohibited from being given to pregnant mothers?

Holes you say?

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Old 05-18-2012, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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Allow?

There's a very high probability he wasn't even aware of it.
It was HIS literary agent that wrote it.. Your telling me he didn't have a clue what HIS agent was publishing about him? Take off the blinders..
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