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Old 05-18-2012, 01:13 PM
 
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[quote=desertdetroiter;24358068]It's astounding how you guys can say that with a straight face and in all seriousness. If that's the case, then why should Israel, much less the U.S., worry about anything happening to them? Let's let everything play out to its biblical conclusions then since God won't let anything happen to them.

BTW...where was God during the Holocaust?

Well its in the Bible Matthew 27:25 when the people choose Barabbas over Jesus " His blood shall be on us and our children" and the anti-semites still blame the Jewish people today.

Be careful what you wish for....

God loves stubborn people
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Old 05-18-2012, 05:01 PM
 
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It seems some are confused, the US will have NO Nato allies if it attacks Iran, Nato only comes into force when one of the Nato countries are attacked.
Remember Reagan saying Britain should just hand the Falklands over to Argentina, did the USA give Britain any military aid in the form of troops, aircraft ?

Finland could have held out the Russians in late 1945, LOL, fifteen million Russians would have just rolled over the Finns.

Now Russia can make the USA and Israel sweat just by supplying Iran with S-300 missiles,
But as one retired Marine general said, and then what, you bomb Iran, they respond, then sooner or later you have to invade Iran, well, the best of British with that if Russia decides they will have a piece of the action.

What will Israel be doing, oh, chanting onward Christian soldiers.
Can anyone remember a time when Israel sent troops to help the USA ?
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Old 05-18-2012, 05:14 PM
 
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People talk about nuclear wars. We even have somebody supposedly from the intelligence community commenting on what's what, but there is evidence that there are systems that have been developed by the Russians that are based on Tesla's work that have created weapons far more powerful than we could have ever imagined.
Oh hell the ruskies have had a doomsday machine for years. They were forced to build it to keep up with us and not fall into a doomsday gap.


Doctor Strangelove - Doomsday Machine - YouTube

Strangelove......what kind of name is that.........that aint no kraut name. LOL
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Old 05-19-2012, 07:57 AM
 
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Yes, it is considered a victory since Finland was able to stop the attack of over a million Soviet troops, and survived the wars (there were two wars) as an independent country. The Soviets got only a fraction of the land they wanted. Make no mistake about it, Soviet Union attacked with the intention of taking the whole country. They troops even had letters on them written in Swedish intended to be given the Swedish border guards once they had crossed over all of Finland.
Yeah pricey realestate wonder what the square footage in Russian lives was ? Finland was a much smaller country and kicked the Red Armies ass taught them some lessons not learned when Hitler came a callin'.
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Old 05-19-2012, 08:51 AM
 
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I like your patriotism, guys, but what are you talking about? We did not win even one war in recent decades. Vietnam was complete failure, just Vietnam, and you are bravely going to beat Russia. Moreover, Russians are continuously underestimated by the West, it happens again and again, and history does not really teach us. Even here in this thread people say that white is black and demand that Russia had lost against Finland.

Somebody here mentioned India and China as Russian enemies. That is wrong. Indian-Russian relationships are good with no doubt. Also, everything that China wants to get from Russia, they can simply buy, and these two countries have a great mutual interest in their trade: to get rid of US dollar. Nowadays, they are allies, not enemies.

But all this does not really matter because war with Iran, with or without our participation, will be war not with Iran+Russia, but with Iran+China. Iran is China's supplier, and somebody who decides to hit Iran will deal with China first of all. For us it would definitely be better to stay apart.

P.S. And I am not even asking where we will get money to run one more war. Especially, against China.
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Old 05-19-2012, 09:30 AM
 
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It's astounding how you guys can say that with a straight face and in all seriousness. If that's the case, then why should Israel, much less the U.S., worry about anything happening to them? Let's let everything play out to its biblical conclusions then since God won't let anything happen to them.

BTW...where was God during the Holocaust?

Well its in the Bible Matthew 27:25 when the people choose Barabbas over Jesus " His blood shall be on us and our children" and the anti-semites still blame the Jewish people today.

Be careful what you wish for....

God loves stubborn people
So then you're saying that Hitler was only carrying out biblical prophesy? Then i guess that doesn't make him a bad guy then, just an instrument of God, right?

Is that what you're saying? Because that's how i'm reading it.
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Old 05-19-2012, 10:36 AM
 
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I like your patriotism, guys, but what are you talking about? We did not win even one war in recent decades. Vietnam was complete failure, just Vietnam, and you are bravely going to beat Russia. Moreover, Russians are continuously underestimated by the West, it happens again and again, and history does not really teach us. Even here in this thread people say that white is black and demand that Russia had lost against Finland.

Somebody here mentioned India and China as Russian enemies. That is wrong. Indian-Russian relationships are good with no doubt. Also, everything that China wants to get from Russia, they can simply buy, and these two countries have a great mutual interest in their trade: to get rid of US dollar. Nowadays, they are allies, not enemies.

But all this does not really matter because war with Iran, with or without our participation, will be war not with Iran+Russia, but with Iran+China. Iran is China's supplier, and somebody who decides to hit Iran will deal with China first of all. For us it would definitely be better to stay apart.

P.S. And I am not even asking where we will get money to run one more war. Especially, against China.
China doesn't care where they get thier resources. Like you said Russia can provide China with whatever they want. The ruskies sit on piles of nat gas and the 'stan's are loaded down with untapped resources. It's all a currency game right now. Actually russia and china have already reached a currency agreement a year or so ago.

"Meanwhile, China and Russia are gradually revolting against the U.S. dollar. This latest move to shift bilateral trade away from it is significant in itself because China-Russian trade -- previously denominated in dollars -- is currently around $40 billion per year. For Russia, trade with China is larger than trade with the U.S.

Moreover, as this policy extends to Russian exports of oil and natural gas to China, it threatens the global "petro-currency" status of the U.S. dollar.

According to the International Energy Agency, China is already the largest consumer of energy, although the U.S. is still the largest consumer of oil. However, China, now the largest automobile market in the world, is expected to rapidly increase oil consumption.

Russia is already the second biggest oil exporter and the biggest natural gas exporter in the world. "


Our clock is ticking so to say. I personally think this admin wants all this to happen though to help along the collapse of the US.


China-Russia currency agreement further threatens U.S. dollar | all - International Business Times
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Old 05-19-2012, 11:12 AM
 
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KUchief25, thank you for the facts.

Some time ago, I heard somewhere that China said they will defend Iran from third countries' thread. And they definitely mentioned military confrontation.

China and Iran do have very close connections People's Republic of China
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Old 05-19-2012, 11:18 AM
 
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China also entered a deal with Iran to trade oil for "goods" to avoid the sanctions placed on Iran most likely by the US. I just don't see China getting involved in it if we or Israel go after Iran. There is really no need to. Short term it would effect them but China doesn't look at things in the short term. They can just turn to the russians and say hey you got any extra oil you can send our way. Right now it's all a chess game IMO and were on the defense. If the queen has to make a big move look out. lol
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Old 05-19-2012, 12:18 PM
 
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So then you're saying that Hitler was only carrying out biblical prophesy? Then i guess that doesn't make him a bad guy then, just an instrument of God, right?

Is that what you're saying? Because that's how i'm reading it.
They cursed themselves....men do evil deeds not God...we have turned our backs on God and look how we are fairing these days drugs prostitution wars cities in decay because we do it mans way.

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