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Old 05-18-2012, 05:35 PM
 
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Actually that is a good analogy, sans the "terminal" part.

Lung cancer does not define the man. He might yet be saved by beating lung cancer.

The difference, I guess, is that you think America's cancer is terminal, and I'm not convinced ... yet.
Has a democracy existed that didn't end in tyranny?
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Old 05-18-2012, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Western civilization dumped monarchy in favor of democracy over the last couple centuries because we wanted more liberty and equality, but we have not gotten either. We are far less free now than the colonists were under King George. Our nanny government literally tells us how to sneeze and wash our hands, and insists on touching our junk before any long voyage.

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I am optomistic that eventually version 2.0 of John Locke, Adam Smith, and Thomas Jefferson will come along with a new form of government that will work better than what we've got. Unfortunately it will probably require another bloody revolution to put in place. Yet another reason not to discard the 2nd Amendment.
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Old 05-18-2012, 06:22 PM
 
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We are far less free now than the colonists were under King George.
There's a lesson in there somewhere.

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I am optomistic that eventually version 2.0 of John Locke, Adam Smith, and Thomas Jefferson will come along with a new form of government that will work better than what we've got. Unfortunately it will probably require another bloody revolution to put in place. Yet another reason not to discard the 2nd Amendment.
Personally, I favor begging the Prince of Liechtenstein to take over America.
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Old 05-18-2012, 06:29 PM
 
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Has a democracy existed that didn't end in tyranny?
Has any civilization existed that didn't end in tyranny?
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Old 05-18-2012, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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I'm all for baseball, motherhood, the flag and the American way, but to tell you the truth I don't see democracy getting us out of this mess. What am I missing?
God

[or so I've heard but I think it's something else]
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Old 05-18-2012, 06:46 PM
 
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Has any civilization existed that didn't end in tyranny?
Your question contradicts your previous post. In that post you claimed that "terminal" doesn't fit the analogy, and in this post you suggest that "terminal" applies to all forms of government.
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Old 05-18-2012, 06:49 PM
 
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If you get most of your news from blogs and forums such as this one, you'd think the entire country is about to collapse. Keep things in perspective, and don't take opinion news too seriously.
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Old 05-18-2012, 07:00 PM
 
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Your question contradicts your previous post. In that post you claimed that "terminal" doesn't fit the analogy, and in this post you suggest that "terminal" applies to all forms of government.
Well, it's all terminal in the long run. I just mean that America may not, necessarily, be on the brink of extinction due to our present ills.
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Old 05-18-2012, 07:03 PM
 
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Well, it's all terminal in the long run.
You're equivocating.
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Old 05-18-2012, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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How about we institute a military theocracy?
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