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Old 05-21-2012, 10:53 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Casper in Dallas View Post
They are not tax free orgainzations so hence can use the lobby system that is place to get their voice heard by the government, churchs on the otherhand often want their cake and eat it to.
PP is a tax exempt 501(c)3. So is their 501(c)4 branch, the PP Action Fund.

501(c)3s can lobby on legislation, up to a point. What they cannot do is support or oppose (either verbally or with )specific candidates,
501(c)4s can do a lot more in direct support or opposition of candidates, such as produce "voter guides".

Both are exempt from paying taxes, but only donations to 501(c)3s can be counted as deductions on an individual's personal income tax return.

The Restriction of Political Campaign Intervention by Section 501(c)(3) Tax-Exempt Organizations
Churches, Integrated Auxiliaries, and Conventions or Associations of Churches
Publication 526 (2011), Charitable Contributions
Tax Information for Churches and Religious Organizations

Everyone in this thread should read this document before contributing any more, since nobody here really knows what they are talking about: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf (esp. pg 7...read the example scenarios)
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Old 05-21-2012, 10:55 AM
 
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So, you'll endorse a law that taxes all currently tax-exempt organizations?
Very effective way to kill all voluntary charitable giving in this country, which would put a lot of tax exempt orgs out of business, forcing the government to spend $ on the services that they used to provide.
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Old 05-21-2012, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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So, you'll endorse a law that taxes all currently tax-exempt organizations?

Good luck with that, Sparky.
Good luck with that? That was the premise of my first post... churches and their "businesses adventures" are tax free because separation of church and state is politically inconvenient!

Now tell me, why should a non-profit organization be tax exempt while paying $900K to an executive? For that matter, what is the purpose of tax exempt status?
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Old 05-21-2012, 10:57 AM
 
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Amazing the left want to destroy the separation between church and state
Amazing that the right says so many stupid things
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Old 05-21-2012, 10:57 AM
 
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Very effective way to kill all voluntary charitable giving in this country, which would put a lot of tax exempt orgs out of business, forcing the government to spend $ on the services that they used to provide.
I agree.

But the church haters would sacrifice that at the altar of destroying their hated religious institutions.
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Old 05-21-2012, 10:59 AM
 
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Good luck with that? That was the premise of my first post... churches and their "businesses adventures" are tax free because separation of church and state is politically inconvenient!
Nonsense. Affording one tax exempt organization the same benefits as others is not "politically inconvenient. It's equitable treatment.

Therefore your entire premise is specious.
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Old 05-21-2012, 10:59 AM
 
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PP is a tax exempt 501(c)3. So is their 501(c)4 branch, the PP Action Fund.

501(c)3s can lobby on legislation, up to a point. What they cannot do is support or oppose (either verbally or with )specific candidates,
501(c)4s can do a lot more in direct support or opposition of candidates, such as produce "voter guides".

Both are exempt from paying taxes, but only donations to 501(c)3s can be counted as deductions on an individual's personal income tax return.

The Restriction of Political Campaign Intervention by Section 501(c)(3) Tax-Exempt Organizations
Churches, Integrated Auxiliaries, and Conventions or Associations of Churches
Publication 526 (2011), Charitable Contributions
Tax Information for Churches and Religious Organizations

Everyone in this thread should read this document before contributing any more, since nobody here really knows what they are talking about: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf (esp. pg 7...read the example scenarios)
And maybe you and some others here should try getting back On Topic
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Old 05-21-2012, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Nonsense. Affording one tax exempt organization the same benefits as others is not "politically inconvenient. It's equitable treatment.

Therefore your entire premise is specious.
BS. But then, there was a reason you skipped this:

"Now tell me, why should a non-profit organization be tax exempt while paying $900K to an executive? For that matter, what is the purpose of tax exempt status?"

Try again.
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Old 05-21-2012, 11:01 AM
 
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Very effective way to kill all voluntary charitable giving in this country, which would put a lot of tax exempt orgs out of business, forcing the government to spend $ on the services that they used to provide.
Yet this is already part of the Obama plan. Expect taxes to be raised proportionately but only far left entities to receive funding should the Obama fix be in the form of an October suprise (Israel/Iran war).
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Old 05-21-2012, 11:03 AM
 
Location: In a place with little freedom (aka USA)
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Isn't this the time for the mega churches to do something?
The church was an old idea like the wheel. Sure, it is useful to the masses but there are far better solutions out there now.

For example, today's laws replace the need for the bible.

However, it is very important for humans to fulfill their desire to worship or at the very least, believe in God. They just need to be re-taught that God is in the home, not just in church.

It all has to do with the transmitted energy that groups of people generate. This should be studied more because it seems to give "hope" to those that "pray" in public with others. Maybe there is a way to emulate/amplify the same energy effect where it can be used in the home.


The best solution, yes, is to tax churches heavily and rip apart their accounting books. Because we all know that all churches are corrupt just like any INC or DOT COM.
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