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Old 05-22-2012, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Oh brother.

The Task Force is led by the Agency for Healthcare Research and Policy, a division of the Department of Health and Human Services. Guess who developed Obamacare policy?
Can you point to a provision within Obamacare that prevents private insurers from offering the service?
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Old 05-22-2012, 11:01 AM
 
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Okay, explain to me how Obamacare is to be blamed for this.
Your semantic trickery won't work here.

No one is blaming Obamacare. Obamacare stands to benefit, which by extension benefits the President as news of the cost savings begins to trickle out for public consumption. The more good news for Obamacare in a year when it is being challenged, the better the argument against "activist judges" when it is shutdown by the Supreme Court.

Nice try.
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Old 05-22-2012, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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Let's back up and try this from a different perspective.

Since you are so horrified by experts that you feel the need to use scare quotes, let me ask you a basic question: did you think the experts knew what they were talking about when they said getting a PSA test was a good idea?

What about when they recommend a certain schedule for vaccinations?
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Old 05-22-2012, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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So scientists are wrong? They were completely wrong just a few years ago?

All that nonsense about trying to catch cancer early -- and all our money that was wasted trying to catch prostate and breast cancer early.

The new scientific research apparently shows it's better to let cancers grow and spread before trying to diagnose them.
You do realize that physicians are practicing medicine, right?
Guess who they are practicing on?
Just like anything else, medical knowledge is under constant evolution.
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Old 05-22-2012, 11:03 AM
 
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Can you point to a provision within Obamacare that prevents private insurers from offering the service?
100% irrelevant to the argument.
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Old 05-22-2012, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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100% irrelevant to the argument.
Perhaps you haven't read the title of this thread:

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Obamacare death panel round one.......no need to have prostate screening say the "experts"
Now explain to me how the question isn't relevant.
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Old 05-22-2012, 11:09 AM
 
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Let's back up and try this from a different perspective.

Since you are so horrified by experts that you feel the need to use scare quotes, let me ask you a basic question: did you think the experts knew what they were talking about when they said getting a PSA test was a good idea?

What about when they recommend a certain schedule for vaccinations?
I maintain that everything that comes out of Washington DC has a political angle, no matter how unbiased the actual subject would seem.

Let's take your vaccination schedule for example: In the abstract, a vaccination schedule in and of itself is inoccuous. But behind the scenes, there's a coordinated lobbying effort not only to secure the actual vaccination schedule itself, but to recommend certain vaccines made by certain pharmaceutical companies.

So, we went from an unbiased vaccination schedule to a specific set of vaccines made by a specific organization. Somewhere along the way, there was political gain from that seemingly unbiased, scientific research.

EVERYTHING that comes from Washington DC benefits a politician and other stakeholders. That's how it is, no matter what it is. The PSA test "finding" is no different. In this case, Obamacare will most likely see significant savings, thereby giving the President the political ammunition he seeks as he tries to salvage his one achievement.
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Old 05-22-2012, 11:13 AM
 
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You're taking a very complicated issue and reducing it to typical Republican ignorance and stupidity. The question of mammograms and PSA screenings belong in a science debate not in some Republican hypocrite's talking points. My own OB told me he's not entire sure about when to do mammograms right now.

If the private sector made this decision you would not give a damn.
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Old 05-22-2012, 11:16 AM
 
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Perhaps you haven't read the title of this thread:



Now explain to me how the question isn't relevant.
Reimbursment rates and reimbursement schedules. Look it up. If the government deems the test to be unnecessary, then it simply won't pay for the procedure, which virtually ensures that insurance companies won't offer it as a regular and recurring test. That's not unique to Obamacare, but it certainly will be applied to Obamacare because that's one of the legislations more imposing provisions - government deciding who, what, when, and where to pay (or not) through various panels.
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Old 05-22-2012, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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First off, anyone who claims that this new recommendation, based on years of scientific study, is coming from President Obama is an idiot.

Second, people who pay attention to this have known this for years. It has nothing to do with saving money or "death panels", it all has to do with the fact that the negative consequences of widespread prostate screening are far worse than any benefit it produces.
I recently read a book callled "Overtreated" in which it was clearly demonstrated that the more diagnostic facilities were available in a community, the more tests were ordered. The more surgical beds that were available, the more surgeries were performed.

The reality is that tests are very profitable. And while they do save some lives, the frequency with which they are ordered is completely disproportionate to the number of people who might benefit from them.

And, as has been noted, the number of people negatively impacted by having these invasive tests, getting false positives and so on is too great to ignore any longer.
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