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Old 05-22-2012, 12:55 AM
 
Location: The heart of Cascadia
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Do you think the 'way the world is going' is acceptable or needs to change? Personally I think it's totally unacceptable. Even though people are living longer, and less people are dying of violence, there is still too much poverty, too much exploitation, too much inequality, and most importantly, too much environmental degradation.

The global economy isn't meant to enrich the average human being's life experience, it's meant to enrich a few select individuals. I don't place all the blame on the elite either - the average person seems more interested in just 'living life' and consumerism and not in finding any deep meaning to life or striving for truly great things. A new iPod is not technological revolution, I am sorry, the Moon Landing was and the WWW itself was.

I worry greatly about the environment. Actually I don't worry, I just grieve, because it seems hopeless. Global warming to some degree is inevitable now, even if we stopped polluting cold turkey this instant. The rainforests and ocean are pretty much doomed. The oil industry is still so powerful and now with peak oil, the 'solution' is Canadian tar sands and COAL?

I got really excited about Arab Spring and Occupy because finally, after what, 4 decades of complacency, acceptance and glorification of neoliberal consumerism people were finally starting to question the direction we were going. It turned out though, I think, that even within Occupy, the 'awake' people, the individual egos were too strong for people to really work together. The Powers have the advantage that as corrupt as they are, they are willing to work together for what they want.

Because of the media though, most people seem anti-Occupy and really shun any kind of complaining in general. It seems like the typical American belief today is we should just accept the status quo at any cost.

What CAN we do? Voting doesn't work, the general public gets angry and the police bash you if you demand change in the streets. Maybe we could start building community and our own economies?
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Old 05-22-2012, 01:02 AM
 
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The revolution we absolutely need is in Washington. Vote out the whole stinking pile. Both parties are hopelessly corrupt. We don't have to get our heads cracked or get shot by their dog soldiers as long as we still have a vote (and don't count on that much longer).
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Old 05-22-2012, 01:06 AM
 
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Yes we need one....and the "going to the voting booth" one isn't working....clearly.
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Old 05-22-2012, 01:11 AM
 
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Yes we need one....and the "going to the voting booth" one isn't working....clearly.
It'll work if we all do it. Stop saying "My vote doesn't count", get off our collective butts, vote, and get rid of these criminals. It's pitiful that Iraq and Afghanistan have 90% voter turnout with the threat of voting booths being blown up, and the US has only 20-30% participation. Pitiful.
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Old 05-22-2012, 01:12 AM
 
Location: The heart of Cascadia
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The revolution we absolutely need is in Washington. Vote out the whole stinking pile. Both parties are hopelessly corrupt. We don't have to get our heads cracked or get shot by their dog soldiers as long as we still have a vote (and don't count on that much longer).
But how could we do that? No third parties have a chance because the money does to the Dems and GOP, and even if we did vote third party, chances are they would just be puppets of the other two parties anyways. Voting will never change anything in America IMO. Our government is de-facto owned by private interests.
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Old 05-22-2012, 01:16 AM
 
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But how could we do that?
We vote out the incumbent every time, forever. Make it too expensive for the special interests to buy all new candidates every two/six years.
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Old 05-22-2012, 02:29 AM
 
Location: North Central Florida
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Not sure about revolution............

But it sure needs a good enema.

Voting wont work. Both sides are corrupt, and have the system rigged to make certain they are the only two posible choices. If you have eyes to see, you'll understand that means you really have only one choice.

Welcome to reality.


YC.......
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Old 05-22-2012, 03:01 AM
 
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Until we get the $$$$ out of our politics I`m afraid we`re doomed.
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Old 05-22-2012, 03:09 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Do you think the 'way the world is going' is acceptable or needs to change? Personally I think it's totally unacceptable. Even though people are living longer, and less people are dying of violence, there is still too much poverty, too much exploitation, too much inequality, and most importantly, too much environmental degradation.

The global economy isn't meant to enrich the average human being's life experience, it's meant to enrich a few select individuals. I don't place all the blame on the elite either - the average person seems more interested in just 'living life' and consumerism and not in finding any deep meaning to life or striving for truly great things. A new iPod is not technological revolution, I am sorry, the Moon Landing was and the WWW itself was.

I worry greatly about the environment. Actually I don't worry, I just grieve, because it seems hopeless. Global warming to some degree is inevitable now, even if we stopped polluting cold turkey this instant. The rainforests and ocean are pretty much doomed. The oil industry is still so powerful and now with peak oil, the 'solution' is Canadian tar sands and COAL?

I got really excited about Arab Spring and Occupy because finally, after what, 4 decades of complacency, acceptance and glorification of neoliberal consumerism people were finally starting to question the direction we were going. It turned out though, I think, that even within Occupy, the 'awake' people, the individual egos were too strong for people to really work together. The Powers have the advantage that as corrupt as they are, they are willing to work together for what they want.

Because of the media though, most people seem anti-Occupy and really shun any kind of complaining in general. It seems like the typical American belief today is we should just accept the status quo at any cost.

What CAN we do? Voting doesn't work, the general public gets angry and the police bash you if you demand change in the streets. Maybe we could start building community and our own economies?
Yes, we need something along the lines of a global tea party movement in which the middle class productive segment of society says they've had enough of the out of control spending and borrowing, redistribution of wealth (both upwards to the elites in the form of bailouts and downwards in the form of government benefits),the never ending political correctness that protects cultures that conflict with traditional core liberal western values (think Muslims running roughshod over traditional european values), and a return to honoring individual liberty and property rights and the American Constitution.
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Old 05-22-2012, 05:30 AM
 
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Do you think the 'way the world is going' is acceptable or needs to change? Personally I think it's totally unacceptable. Even though people are living longer, and less people are dying of violence, there is still too much poverty, too much exploitation, too much inequality, and most importantly, too much environmental degradation.

The global economy isn't meant to enrich the average human being's life experience, it's meant to enrich a few select individuals. I don't place all the blame on the elite either - the average person seems more interested in just 'living life' and consumerism and not in finding any deep meaning to life or striving for truly great things. A new iPod is not technological revolution, I am sorry, the Moon Landing was and the WWW itself was.

I worry greatly about the environment. Actually I don't worry, I just grieve, because it seems hopeless. Global warming to some degree is inevitable now, even if we stopped polluting cold turkey this instant. The rainforests and ocean are pretty much doomed. The oil industry is still so powerful and now with peak oil, the 'solution' is Canadian tar sands and COAL?

I got really excited about Arab Spring and Occupy because finally, after what, 4 decades of complacency, acceptance and glorification of neoliberal consumerism people were finally starting to question the direction we were going. It turned out though, I think, that even within Occupy, the 'awake' people, the individual egos were too strong for people to really work together. The Powers have the advantage that as corrupt as they are, they are willing to work together for what they want.

Because of the media though, most people seem anti-Occupy and really shun any kind of complaining in general. It seems like the typical American belief today is we should just accept the status quo at any cost.

What CAN we do? Voting doesn't work, the general public gets angry and the police bash you if you demand change in the streets. Maybe we could start building community and our own economies?
Democracy and capitalism has been under attack for the past several decades and the attackers are the Marxist globalist who want to control the world under a one world government. What your suggesting is we help the globalist crush our society for this takeover. Either you have been brainwashed by these globalist or you are one of them.

Life under control of these globalist would be like living under strong communist control where the government owns and controls everything and the people are servants to government. Not the way I want to live my life ...
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