Education: The Civil Rights Issue of Our Era! Agree? (Congress, Israel, propaganda)
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You're describing a perfect world, a perfect school. So what becomes of these students that are kicked out. Where are they to go. And what is wrong with mandatory attendance. I think all schools have that. And how does that make them complacent? I'm all for school uniforms but not for the same reason. There are so many fights about clothing that I think an equal playing field would help that. But uniforms don't necessarily help with a kid's attitude. They are who they are.
Mandatory attendance at one assigned school. Sorry if that wasn't clear. I'm sure there are still the "alternative" schools for those who won't comply & get kicked out of the other schools.
Well, judging by the responses so far (admittedly a very small sample) Romney would be best not to tout this as his social concern program! Just curious, for those who are voting "no," what do you think is the most important Civil Rights issue of this era? (Aside from saying you don't believe in the concept of "civil rights" at all.) What is more important than trying to provide the best possible education for the next generation? (BTW, I don't think this implies spending more money, which I don't think is the answer.)
Mandatory attendance at one assigned school. Sorry if that wasn't clear. I'm sure there are still the "alternative" schools for those who won't comply & get kicked out of the other schools.
But you see, private schools can kick out any student that doesn't comply with their standards. And of course by getting rid of the problem students their rating goes up. Public schools can't do that. They have to accept everyone and try to teach them
But you see, private schools can kick out any student that doesn't comply with their standards. And of course by getting rid of the problem students their rating goes up. Public schools can't do that. They have to accept everyone and try to teach them
Exactly. Why should the good kids assigned to a bad school be forced to stick it out there? Why not give them a choice. It also might encourage the public schools to perform better if they risk losing kids & funding.
Most public schools are cesspools. Unions are a major contributor to the cesspool
But "MOST PUBLIC SCHOOLS" are Not unionized in this Country (36.8 %).
It is the PARENTS! They have to instill the notion in their kids that education is a GOOD thing. They have to instill RESPECT - not just for teachers, but for all people, agree or disagree, but do it with respect.
How many generations will it take for tihs to happen?
Take a small conservative rural Texas town. One school. All the kids go there, all the kids.
One teacher for each subject per grade. Got the picture.
You still end up with the same statistics.....
-most of the kids on free/reduced lunch are minorities
-most of the kids failing the state tests are minorities
-most of the kids who think school is one big recess and suspension is a day off at Grandma's are minorities
It's not your segregated inner city schools. It's not your unions. It's not your bad teachers.
It's not lack of funding.
The problem is OUTSIDE of the school system and there is nothing the government can do about it.
Lots of truth in this post.
I taught in Miami-Dade County for 37 years. We have 40+ high schools in our district. The same (mostly) inner city schools get failing or close to failing grades every year. Likewise with the top scoring schools - the same ones always score at the top. According to many on this forum, it must be because the teachers are crappy at the low scoring schools and superior at the high scoring schools.
So, why not swap the faculties of one low and one high scoring school (for argument's sake, we'll assume the staffs of both schools are agreeable) for 4 years. At the end of the 4 years, we compare school grades. I can guarantee you that the top scoring school will still be at the top and the bottom scoring school will still be on the bottom.
The problems with failing schools are outside of the school's jurisdiction. Short of removing students from their failing communities and putting them in public boarding schools, there will be no real improvement in inner city schools until there is improvement in the inner cities.
As for Mitt Romney's foray into public education policy:
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It is time to publicly acknowledge the hypocrisy of those who claim to be worried about the achievement gap and the low test scores of poor and minority children, yet who oppose policies that would mandate a living wage, help keep and bring back well-paid manufacturing jobs, provide health care access to all residents, offer everyone access to affordable housing, and, last but not least, ensure that public schools are adequately maintained, offer a well-rounded curriculum, and provide the working conditions that will recruit and retain qualified teachers.Who is making excuses for what? - Miami Dade County Education Policy | Examiner.com
Exactly. Why should the good kids assigned to a bad school be forced to stick it out there? Why not give them a choice. It also might encourage the public schools to perform better if they risk losing kids & funding.
Public schools have already lost funding. Public schools would probably perform better if the bad kids would go elsewhere too. But they don't have that option unlike private schools.
The problem with choice is that parents expect the school system to transport their child to that school. They don't have the funding for that. What if that's the only child from the neighbor who wants to go to a school 15 miles away. Who is going to get the child there if the parents won't or can't. Do you expect a school bus to transport 1 child. No, of course not. And there lies the problem.
"School spending has gone through the roof and test scores are flat.
While most every other service in life has gotten faster, better, and cheaper, one of the most important things we buy -- education -- has remained completely stagnant, unchanged since we started measuring it in 1970.
Why no improvement?
Because K-12 education is a government monopoly and monopolies don't improve."
Below is a lengthy video, but if you are interested in the topic of public education and school choice, it is well worth your time. John Stossel "Stupid in America."
"School spending has gone through the roof and test scores are flat.
While most every other service in life has gotten faster, better, and cheaper, one of the most important things we buy -- education -- has remained completely stagnant, unchanged since we started measuring it in 1970.
Why no improvement?
Because K-12 education is a government monopoly and monopolies don't improve."
Below is a lengthy video, but if you are interested in the topic of public education and school choice, it is well worth your time. John Stossel "Stupid in America."
School funding has been cut big time. Stop listening to this propaganda and really educate yourself.
Well, obviously you didn't have time to watch the video. Good to see open minded people posting about "educating yourself."
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