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No gardens, no clothes lines, no parking on the street, two pets per household - pick up after your dog. No loud noises after 10 pm. Don't wash your car in your own driveway. Swingsets? Play Houses? Potting sheds? No you can't have a garage sale. Home Owners Associations that tell you how, what, when, where and what.
No thanks. It's a pretty little prison, to be sure.
20yrsinBranson
Are you familiar with this development? Because I sure didn't see anything about these restrictions in Nexis4Jersey's description. And, per the thread topic, who is telling you that you have to live here?
I believe there are requirements for every town or city to devote so many units to low income housing. That's the way it is in CA. I haven't seen that included in these master plans. Wonder where they are going to put them.
In the projects or trailer parks waaaaaayyyyyy out of town, of course (but close to walmart).
Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey "The Largest style of this development is underway in Utah near SLC , its the most popular place to buy a home , they have homes for the Eldery , first time buyers , mc Mansions , apartments , condos.....the Development itself is the size of Half the size of Manhattan but all Suburban. With a reduced need on the Auto , its criss crossed by bus lines a light rail line , along with bike lanes and trails..."
Smart growth is just fine when done voluntarily. If smart growth is wanted by enough consumers, smart growth will come about automatically.
Forcing developers/property owners to develop smart growth or live in smart growth (through rezoning) goes against the American values of respect for life, liberty and property that our country was founded on. Forcing people to produce something the market doesn't want is unsustainable.
Conversely, minimum lot sizes, minimum setbacks, minimum lot widths, maximum number of househilds per lot, (usually 1) Euclidean zoning, etc., etc. have been in place for nearly a century. Why all the fuss now?
Conversely, minimum lot sizes, minimum setbacks, minimum lot widths, maximum number of househilds per lot, (usually 1) Euclidean zoning, etc., etc. have been in place for nearly a century. Why all the fuss now?
No fuss if someone buys property with a particular zoning - buyer beware. However, the government must not be allowed to change zoning on a property without the property owner's written permission or justly compensating the property owner for any loss in value.
Many counties are now proposing changing land use in their general plans (consequently zoning) against property owners' wishes. That's a big problem.
No fuss if someone buys property with a particular zoning - buyer beware. However, the government must not be allowed to change zoning on a property without the property owner's written permission or justly compensating the property owner for any loss in value.
Many counties are now proposing changing land use in their general plans (consequently zoning) against property owners' wishes. That's a big problem.
Again, this isn't new. The land where my project house is located, is zoned "institutional." That doesn't mean I can't live in my house, when I'm done restoring it. It just means that I can't tear the house down and build another residence, without getting a variance from the city. If you own a farm, and the city/municipality changes the land use to institutional, or multi-unit residential, (or whatever) you should be able to farm as long as you want. And, if you sell your farm to a farmer, they should be able to continue farming. What the change in zoning prevents is a developer coming in and changing the land use to be inconsistent with what the land was zoned for.
No gardens, no clothes lines, no parking on the street, two pets per household - pick up after your dog. No loud noises after 10 pm. Don't wash your car in your own driveway. Swingsets? Play Houses? Potting sheds? No you can't have a garage sale. Home Owners Associations that tell you how, what, when, where and what.
No thanks. It's a pretty little prison, to be sure.
20yrsinBranson
That was part of the development , its so huge that it varies... Clothes lines? What is this the 20th century....only poor rural people with no washer or driver have clothes lines.... You can park on the street , that development in question is the most popular place to by home and theres not many complaints go and ask on the SLC forum. The Development is rather new , so idk about sheds and other stuff , they do have swing sets and playhouses...some homes get large tracts of land , others do not.... Theres something to please everyone... I haven't heard of an HOA at Daybreak..... I wouldn't know about loud noises , but then again most towns in auto suburbs have a rule after 10 or 11pm....its not limited to smart growth. Its not a prison , you can come and go as you please....you don't need a car to get around. The Development is not done yet , it has another 40 years before its fully built and has become the model for most newer suburbs in Utah. Theres alot of open space besides the backyards most homes get....so Idk about a prison..
No fuss if someone buys property with a particular zoning - buyer beware. However, the government must not be allowed to change zoning on a property without the property owner's written permission or justly compensating the property owner for any loss in value.
Many counties are now proposing changing land use in their general plans (consequently zoning) against property owners' wishes. That's a big problem.
Theres always a rezoning hearing , and rarely does Suburban residential zoning change , a Commercial and Industrial may change a few times to allow in new business or developments...but its rare that a residential area changes.... If your neighborhood borders these areas , then your neighborhood should remain unchanged , just the Commercial or Industrial area changes....and aside from a Jail or any dirty property values 90% of the time go up....same happens with Rail transit... So the owner gets to voice there opinion , but its rare that Residential areas change.... I haven't heard of that many counties changing zoning regs....a few southern ones...but the Northern states have good , complex regulations.... Suburbs are well protected....for Urban zoning...theres buffer towns and other things to stop the dense development from spreading...
Conversely, minimum lot sizes, minimum setbacks, minimum lot widths, maximum number of househilds per lot, (usually 1) Euclidean zoning, etc., etc. have been in place for nearly a century. Why all the fuss now?
Not that long. The report was submitted to the UN by Gro Bundtland in 1987 (as VP of International Socialist Party) and Maurice Strong (Dir UN Environmental Program and chairman of World Wildlife Fund). The conclusion was that Capitalism must be replaced with Socialism.
The Action plan came about at the Earth Summit in Rio in 1992 with 178 nations signing onto Agenda 21.
This is redistribution of wealth on a global scale and it includes population reduction.
It's time to have this discussion in the open. These people want you to believe socialsm is the solution, administered thru the UN as the ruling body of the globe. It's Totalitarianism on a grand scale.
That makes individual rights moot. The goal is a centrally controlled global fascist dictatorship.
More and more land is being taken by the gov't for wilderness. That land won't produce jobs, it won't produce anything - it allows gov't to control the populace and the resources. We have become slaves to the gov't, while calling them public servants. Nothing could be further from the truth. They serve themselves and this Agenda.
Again, this isn't new. The land where my project house is located, is zoned "institutional." That doesn't mean I can't live in my house, when I'm done restoring it. It just means that I can't tear the house down and build another residence, without getting a variance from the city.
That's WAY too much government intrusion for my taste.
Out here, in CA, they are attempting to 'nudge' people into high density, walkable communities. They are attempting to rezone property so that it can no longer be developed as when purchased. For example, property zoned one house on 10 acres may be changed to one house on 50 acres. If the state is successful, it could be financially devastating for countless families.
No fuss if someone buys property with a particular zoning - buyer beware. However, the government must not be allowed to change zoning on a property without the property owner's written permission or justly compensating the property owner for any loss in value.
Many counties are now proposing changing land use in their general plans (consequently zoning) against property owners' wishes. That's a big problem.
and the compensation is not just, it is what they say it is. Refusal is not an option.
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That's WAY too much government intrusion for my taste.
