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Let's find out what these PPP's are really all about. Transer of public assets and our representative govt (public) out to corporations, NGO's, Foundations and the like (private) , for profit!
No the bottom line is you are twisting what the publication says while simultaneously trying to prove that socialism equals environmentalism.
That is your (mis)interpretation of what I said.
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Originally Posted by dv1033
Again this is voluntary. Go through the political process and activism at appropriate level (local, federal, etc.) or move.
Agenda 21's policies are given the fource of law when its policies are voted in by elected officials. At that point, it is no longer voluntary.
Allowing the government to downgrade zoning without first getting the property owners' permission or offering the property owner just compensation undermines freedom.
Let's find out what these PPP's are really all about. Transer of public assets and our representative govt (public) out to corporations, NGO's, Foundations and the like (private) , for profit!
Becoming more Dense can be traced back to the founding of this country....and were only going to get even more dense at least along the Coastal areas or near Water resources...its a human thing....theres nothing that can stop it...its human nature...there will still be Auto suburbs and Auto-American life in 2050...but there will also be areas where people without cars or who don't want to always use a car can live freely....and not just restricted to the Northeast and Chicagoland...People should have more choices in the places they can live car free.... And Living car free , means should have more Freedoms , your not chained to up and down oil prices , Insurance or yearly maintenance that comes with owning a car.
--------------2000 - 2025 - 2050 Population
Greats Lakes : 54.1 - 64.7 - 71.6 Million
Northeastern Megapolis : 49.5 - 58.1 - 75.8 Million
Southern California : 24.9 - 34.8 - 39.3 Million
Texas Triangle : 16.5 - 26.8 - 38.1 Million
Florida : 14.7 - 21.4 - 31.5 Million
Piedmont Atlantic : 14.9 - 20.5 - 31.9 Million
Northern California : 12.7 - 17.3 - 21.1 Million
Gulf Coast : 11.7 - 15.8 - 23.6 Million
Cascadia : 10.2 - 12.5 - 24.6 Million
Arizona Sun Corridor : 5.7 - 7.4 - 12.3 Million
Front Range : 4.7 - 6.8 - 10.5 Million
United States Population in 2000 : 281.4 Million
Urbanized Suburban and Urban Population in 2000 : 219 Million
Public Transit Usage in 2000 : 15 Million
United States Population in 2010 : 308.7 Million
Urbanized Suburban and Urban Population in 2010 : 250 Million
Public Transit Usage in 2010 : 34 Million
United States Population by 2025 : 340 Million
Urbanized Suburban and Urban Population by 2025 : 286.5 Million
Public Transit Usage by 2025 : 54 Million
United States Population by 2050 : 440 Million
Urbanized Suburban and Urban Population by 2050 : 380 Million
Public Transit Usage by 2050 : 170 Million
Becoming more Dense can be traced back to the founding of this country....and were only going to get even more dense at least along the Coastal areas or near Water resources...its a human thing....theres nothing that can stop it...its human nature...there will still be Auto suburbs and Auto-American life in 2050...but there will also be areas where people without cars or who don't want to always use a car can live freely....and not just restricted to the Northeast and Chicagoland...People should have more choices in the places they can live car free.... And Living car free , means should have more Freedoms , your not chained to up and down oil prices , Insurance or yearly maintenance that comes with owning a car.
--------------2000 - 2025 - 2050 Population
Greats Lakes : 54.1 - 64.7 - 71.6 Million
Northeastern Megapolis : 49.5 - 58.1 - 75.8 Million
Southern California : 24.9 - 34.8 - 39.3 Million
Texas Triangle : 16.5 - 26.8 - 38.1 Million
Florida : 14.7 - 21.4 - 31.5 Million
Piedmont Atlantic : 14.9 - 20.5 - 31.9 Million
Northern California : 12.7 - 17.3 - 21.1 Million
Gulf Coast : 11.7 - 15.8 - 23.6 Million
Cascadia : 10.2 - 12.5 - 24.6 Million
Arizona Sun Corridor : 5.7 - 7.4 - 12.3 Million
Front Range : 4.7 - 6.8 - 10.5 Million
United States Population in 2000 : 281.4 Million
Urbanized Suburban and Urban Population in 2000 : 219 Million
Public Transit Usage in 2000 : 15 Million
United States Population in 2010 : 308.7 Million
Urbanized Suburban and Urban Population in 2010 : 250 Million
Public Transit Usage in 2010 : 34 Million
United States Population by 2025 : 340 Million
Urbanized Suburban and Urban Population by 2025 : 286.5 Million
Public Transit Usage by 2025 : 54 Million
United States Population by 2050 : 440 Million
Urbanized Suburban and Urban Population by 2050 : 380 Million
Public Transit Usage by 2050 : 170 Million
I agree rethinking is inevitable. I am a supporter of "localization" efforts. I also would like to see more choices not involving automobiles. Such dependencies are really the opposite of "freedom".
Becoming more Dense can be traced back to the founding of this country....and were only going to get even more dense at least along the Coastal areas or near Water resources...its a human thing....theres nothing that can stop it...its human nature...there will still be Auto suburbs and Auto-American life in 2050...but there will also be areas where people without cars or who don't want to always use a car can live freely....and not just restricted to the Northeast and Chicagoland...People should have more choices in the places they can live car free.... And Living car free , means should have more Freedoms , your not chained to up and down oil prices , Insurance or yearly maintenance that comes with owning a car.
--------------2000 - 2025 - 2050 Population
Greats Lakes : 54.1 - 64.7 - 71.6 Million
Northeastern Megapolis : 49.5 - 58.1 - 75.8 Million
Southern California : 24.9 - 34.8 - 39.3 Million
Texas Triangle : 16.5 - 26.8 - 38.1 Million
Florida : 14.7 - 21.4 - 31.5 Million
Piedmont Atlantic : 14.9 - 20.5 - 31.9 Million
Northern California : 12.7 - 17.3 - 21.1 Million
Gulf Coast : 11.7 - 15.8 - 23.6 Million
Cascadia : 10.2 - 12.5 - 24.6 Million
Arizona Sun Corridor : 5.7 - 7.4 - 12.3 Million
Front Range : 4.7 - 6.8 - 10.5 Million
United States Population in 2000 : 281.4 Million
Urbanized Suburban and Urban Population in 2000 : 219 Million
Public Transit Usage in 2000 : 15 Million
United States Population in 2010 : 308.7 Million
Urbanized Suburban and Urban Population in 2010 : 250 Million
Public Transit Usage in 2010 : 34 Million
United States Population by 2025 : 340 Million
Urbanized Suburban and Urban Population by 2025 : 286.5 Million
Public Transit Usage by 2025 : 54 Million
United States Population by 2050 : 440 Million
Urbanized Suburban and Urban Population by 2050 : 380 Million
Public Transit Usage by 2050 : 170 Million
Is there a chance you could provide a link to this map? It sounds too much like something you may have picked up at ICLEI since you are so taken in by what they want, like the map that Agenda 21 has that shows the rest of the country as new animal kingdom. Is that what you are showing us? Have you people determined where your food will come from?
This map shows everything in just what it proposes but where does the food come from. Those of us in the supposedly uninhabited areas would soon be gone and then what would be used for the Soiylent Green type of food.
A link is very necessary for us to accept your map. Link, link, link.
Is there a chance you could provide a link to this map? It sounds too much like something you may have picked up at ICLEI since you are so taken in by what they want, like the map that Agenda 21 has that shows the rest of the country as new animal kingdom. Is that what you are showing us? Have you people determined where your food will come from?
This map shows everything in just what it proposes but where does the food come from. Those of us in the supposedly uninhabited areas would soon be gone and then what would be used for the Soiylent Green type of food.
A link is very necessary for us to accept your map. Link, link, link.
Becoming more Dense can be traced back to the founding of this country....
Communities becoming more densly populated is not the issue. The issue is that it's not the government's role to 'nudge' people into high density, walkable communities.
Part of the government's role is to protect our rights to our property, not to control where we live.
Becoming more Dense can be traced back to the founding of this country....and were only going to get even more dense at least along the Coastal areas or near Water resources...its a human thing....theres nothing that can stop it...its human nature...there will still be Auto suburbs and Auto-American life in 2050...but there will also be areas where people without cars or who don't want to always use a car can live freely....and not just restricted to the Northeast and Chicagoland...People should have more choices in the places they can live car free.... And Living car free , means should have more Freedoms , your not chained to up and down oil prices , Insurance or yearly maintenance that comes with owning a car.
--------------2000 - 2025 - 2050 Population
Greats Lakes : 54.1 - 64.7 - 71.6 Million
Northeastern Megapolis : 49.5 - 58.1 - 75.8 Million
Southern California : 24.9 - 34.8 - 39.3 Million
Texas Triangle : 16.5 - 26.8 - 38.1 Million
Florida : 14.7 - 21.4 - 31.5 Million
Piedmont Atlantic : 14.9 - 20.5 - 31.9 Million
Northern California : 12.7 - 17.3 - 21.1 Million
Gulf Coast : 11.7 - 15.8 - 23.6 Million
Cascadia : 10.2 - 12.5 - 24.6 Million
Arizona Sun Corridor : 5.7 - 7.4 - 12.3 Million
Front Range : 4.7 - 6.8 - 10.5 Million
United States Population in 2000 : 281.4 Million
Urbanized Suburban and Urban Population in 2000 : 219 Million
Public Transit Usage in 2000 : 15 Million
United States Population in 2010 : 308.7 Million
Urbanized Suburban and Urban Population in 2010 : 250 Million
Public Transit Usage in 2010 : 34 Million
United States Population by 2025 : 340 Million
Urbanized Suburban and Urban Population by 2025 : 286.5 Million
Public Transit Usage by 2025 : 54 Million
United States Population by 2050 : 440 Million
Urbanized Suburban and Urban Population by 2050 : 380 Million
Public Transit Usage by 2050 : 170 Million
I posted the link. Go up. Or were you referencing hitch hiking? LOL.
Last edited by CDusr; 06-16-2012 at 09:40 PM..
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