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Old 05-24-2012, 02:07 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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The Federal government announced recently that its deficit last year was $1.3 trillion.

If you ran an American company, deficits aren't unusual, though you have to be careful about them. And there are rules you must follow to correctly calculate what deficit (or surplus) your company runs every year.

But the U.S. Government, which enforces those rules on you and every other company in the country, doesn't follow those rules itself.

In fact, if you calculated your finances the way the Federal government does, that same Federal government would throw you in jail for fraud, breach of trust, and half a dozen other crimes.

If you hire an employee and give him a retirement pension in his contract, then every year you must set aside a certain amount of money that will go to pay that pension when he does retire. That amount of money is a legal obligation that you must pay, every year, and it goes on your yearly balance sheet as such. If you don't do it that way, the government will bust you, fine you, throw you in jail, etc... because it's illegal to NOT do it that way.

But guess what - the Fed govt itself, doesn't have to do it that way. They laws they made forcing the rest of us to do it that way, contain an exemption for Congress. They don't have to do it that way themselves. And it's a good thing (or is it?)... because all of Social Security, and a number of other such programs, are being quietly left out of the government's yearly calculation of its deficit.

Did you hear the "official" figure of $1.3 trillion as last year's deficit? Well, if the Fed govt had followed the accounting rules that the rest of us have to, the correct figure would have come out $5.0 trillion. Nearly four times as high.

It's good to be King. When you're King, you don't have to obey the King's rules.

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Real federal deficit dwarfs official tally

Real federal deficit dwarfs official tally

By Dennis Cauchon, USA TODAY
Updated 13h 45m ago

The typical American household would have paid nearly all of its income in taxes last year to balance the budget if the government used standard accounting rules to compute the deficit, a USA TODAY analysis finds.

Under those accounting practices, the government ran red ink last year equal to $42,054 per household — nearly four times the official number reported under unique rules set by Congress.

A U.S. household's median income is $49,445, the Census reports.

The big difference between the official deficit and standard accounting: Congress exempts itself from including the cost of promised retirement benefits. Yet companies, states and local governments must include retirement commitments in financial statements, as required by federal law and private boards that set accounting rules.

The deficit was $5 trillion last year under those rules. The official number was $1.3 trillion. Liabilities for Social Security, Medicare and other retirement programs rose by $3.7 trillion in 2011, according to government actuaries, but the amount was not registered on the government's books.


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Old 05-24-2012, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Holly Springs, NC USA
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C'mon, this administration is all about transparency! There is no way this could have happened!!!

Or maybe I should look at it from the other angle and say that their lies and garbage are so transparent, it is easy to see through their shenanigans. This what you get when you elect corruption.
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Old 05-24-2012, 02:28 PM
 
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This country is circling the drain. Who can deny it?

The last gasps of a failing empire are getting louder every single day.
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Old 05-24-2012, 02:36 PM
 
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This isn't some new accounting method that the government just implemented this year- so if this deficit figure is inaccurate per standard accounting procedures, so is every other deficit figure for past years.

It's like the people who complain that unemployment numbers aren't accurate because of how they're calculated. If the same calculations were performed in past analyses, the results are all "false", but up/down trends still remain relative.
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Old 05-24-2012, 02:38 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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This isn't some new accounting method that the government just implemented this year- so if this deficit figure is inaccurate per standard accounting procedures, so is every other deficit figure for past years.
Yes.

And your point is.......??
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Old 05-24-2012, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Rational World Park
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"Deficits don't matter"

-Dick Cheney (R)

Ironic that the deficit is now so much of a concern.
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Old 05-24-2012, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Holly Springs, NC USA
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"Deficits don't matter"

-Dick Cheney (R)

Ironic that the deficit is now so much of a concern.
Especially to Democrats in an election year. But in fact, Cheney was wrong and they do matter. Are you saying you agree with Cheney?
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Old 05-24-2012, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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The best part was at the end:
"Jim Horney... says retirement programs should not count as part of the deficit because, unlike a business, Congress can change what it owes by cutting benefits ....
"It's not easy, but it can be done. Retirement programs are not legal obligations," he says."
[] PAY ATTENTION []
Retirement (entitlement) programs are not LEGAL OBLIGATIONS !

OOPS, don't let the sheeple hear THAT !
They BELIEVE they "paid into" a trust fund and are OWED those benefits.

However, there is no RIGHT to entitlements nor any contract with Congress to be provided for. They are solely at the discretion of Congress.

Social Security Online History Pages
Flemming v. Nestor.
In this 1960 Supreme Court decision, Mr. Nestor appealed the termination arguing, among other claims, that promised Social Security benefits were a CONTRACT and that Congress could not renege on that contract. In its ruling, the Court rejected this argument and established the principle that entitlement to Social Security benefits is not contractual right.
.................
If you were misled to believe otherwise, chalk it up to the world's greatest propaganda ministry. FICA was nothing more than a "Tax and Bribe" program, and there's no "reform" that will fix "stupid".
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Old 05-24-2012, 09:06 PM
 
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It's like the people who complain that unemployment numbers aren't accurate because of how they're calculated. If the same calculations were performed in past analyses, the results are all "false", but up/down trends still remain relative.
Actually unemployment wasnt calculated the same in the past. One of the first thing Obama did was change how they were calculated.
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Old 05-24-2012, 09:07 PM
 
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Retirement (entitlement) programs are not LEGAL OBLIGATIONS !
I cant tell you the number of times I've gotten into disputes here over this very thing. Its the exact reason why social security, is a welfare program, but many dont want to admit it.
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"Deficits don't matter"

-Dick Cheney (R)

Ironic that the deficit is now so much of a concern.
Did you agree with Cheney?
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