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The irony of the succession movement is it's usually instigated by people in states states that receive more federal funding than they give the the federal government
As far as I'm concerned all 50 states have active secession movements.
That rarely happens unless there is a war, and you don't need a war to succeed (look at Czechoslovakia) and plus, some states like my home or WA have border with Canada and an Ocean.
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You think you have high taxes now, just try to live with no federal funds and no military backing. One disaster hits your state and your state will be bankrupted.
Japan is a small country that was hit with a disaster, and they aren't bankrupt. Not to mention Singapore has been hit with typhoons, and they're a lot smaller than Cascadia (Washington, Oregon, and the Idaho Panhandle and northern Most California) would be
In reality, any secession would not involve entire states just certain areas within those states. The vast majority of urban/suburban residents are moderates with no sworn allegiance to any extremist political ideology. They would fight any effort to secede them into a new country formed mainly around the idea of some type of extremist politics.
What you would actually end up with is cities and their suburbs as part of the traditional existing United States and rural areas and small towns part of some new country. The idea that even a fairly conservative state like Kansas has some kind of homogenous resident political ideology and that all of them would endorse secession from the US and the formation of some new uber-conservative banana republic is mostly a right wing wet dream fantasy. Even in the reddest of the red states, in the population centers the political views tend to be purple.
The irony of the succession movement is it's usually instigated by people in states states that receive more federal funding than they give the the federal government
As a result of those states having a large percentage of minorities.
The parasites leeching off the federal government do not support secession; its the independent, free-thinking, heavily armed segment of those populations that do.
I was in Vancouver, BC recently and it hit me: I have A LOT MORE IN COMMON as a Seattleite with people from BC than I do with people from Oklahoma or Texas.
America is TOO DAMN BIG. We have people with little shared culture, values, religion, and even language forced to share the same government. We in the Pacific North West are very left of center and around here, saying you are a democratic socialist only means you are in the mainstream. People in Georgia, on the other hand, are very right of center.
If America was to end as an Empire and split off into independent countries, peacefully, it would mean that places like Oregon, Washington, the Idaho Panhandle and northern California (the nation of Cascadia) could do everything we always wanted to do but the Empire, filled with Senators from Redneckistan, have stopped us from doing: legalizing Marijuana, creating single payer healthcare, protecting our environment etc.
I am NOT SAYING we should have a civil war, as Czechoslovakia split up without bloodshed and so did the Soviet Union. As for things we don't have as much in abundance here (grain, oil etc) there is this little thing called TRADE. Japan is a resource poof country, yet they're not exactly starving. As for size: listen America, SIZE DOESN'T MATTER (no Freudian jokes, please) Denmark is a little country, but they have a great standard of living.
We in the PNW can never agree with Dixie on anything, and the inter-mountain west is too libertarian minded to really agree with Dixie or us
I was in Vancouver, BC recently and it hit me: I have A LOT MORE IN COMMON as a Seattleite with people from BC than I do with people from Oklahoma or Texas.
America is TOO DAMN BIG. We have people with little shared culture, values, religion, and even language forced to share the same government. We in the Pacific North West are very left of center and around here, saying you are a democratic socialist only means you are in the mainstream. People in Georgia, on the other hand, are very right of center.
If America was to end as an Empire and split off into independent countries, peacefully, it would mean that places like Oregon, Washington, the Idaho Panhandle and northern California (the nation of Cascadia) could do everything we always wanted to do but the Empire, filled with Senators from Redneckistan, have stopped us from doing: legalizing Marijuana, creating single payer healthcare, protecting our environment etc.
I am NOT SAYING we should have a civil war, as Czechoslovakia split up without bloodshed and so did the Soviet Union. As for things we don't have as much in abundance here (grain, oil etc) there is this little thing called TRADE. Japan is a resource poof country, yet they're not exactly starving. As for size: listen America, SIZE DOESN'T MATTER (no Freudian jokes, please) Denmark is a little country, but they have a great standard of living.
We in the PNW can never agree with Dixie on anything, and the inter-mountain west is too libertarian minded to really agree with Dixie or us
either. The only solution is to end the empire.
Although I despise your political ideology, your idea is cogent and sensible. I'm in. I'll either be in Dixie land or the Mountain West.
I remember Vermont wanting to secede after Bush defeated Kerry in 2004. Must have been rightwing extremists.
LOL!
It is a big lie that only right-wingers want succession. Actually, the Vermont succession movement, as well as Cascadia and Hawaii, are pretty left leaning. If the states of Oregon and Washington and maybe Northern California split off to form Cascadia, you can be GUARANTEED it would be very left leaning with a government that looks like Norway or Denmark and not the Confederacy.
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