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Yes, Nullgie, it goes back to the argument/observation of our time. You don't have to support the troops because of WHY they're there, only because they ARE there.
It is imperative to remember, regardless of one's feelings of respect for the reasons of the various conflicts. How else are future generations to judge the falacy or worth of the next fracas to be presented for voting upon.
Travelling to Holland to join the celebration of the 50th anniversary of their liberation in 95 I was absolutely astounded at the level of high regard the very young citizens of that country held the vets.
Those young people have been taught all the facts related to the various wars fought on their soil and absolutely revere the liberating forces; the graves are all routinely tended by school students for example with individual graves being assigned to individual students for study and history classes.
I went in lieu of my father who saw action overseas during that conflict in N.Africa, Italy, France Belgium, Holland and walked on the very ground he'd fought on as a Troop Sgt. in a Canadian Armoured Corps. His younger brother was at Kap Yong and in one of those foxholes the Princess Pats called Aussie support artillary onto their own co-ordinates the whole of one nights fighting to stop the Chinese regaining below the 38th parallel.
Here's one individual; regardless of what flag you've served under who will respect and appreciate your service without question or qualifier being applied regardless of which conflict it happened to be.
But that ugly reality should not be 'conflated' with disrespecting the individuals who sacrificed themselves with the best of intentions -- even if the political and financial truths of a war were misguided.
I guess this depends what you mean by "disrespecting", I don't consider a refusal to honor those involved in armed conflict as disrespect.
Regardless, my point here is that the change in attitude is largely due to a shift in how people think about war. For example, younger folks are far more likely to associate the Iraq war with corporate interests than a protection of their freedoms...as a result a lack of interest in celebrating those that serve is only natural.
I guess this depends what you mean by "disrespecting", I don't consider a refusal to honor those involved in armed conflict as disrespect.
Regardless, my point here is that the change in attitude is largely due to a shift in how people think about war. For example, younger folks are far more likely to associate the Iraq war with corporate interests than a protection of their freedoms...as a result a lack of interest in celebrating those that serve is only natural.
No sir. Your first post on this thread was flippant. You went out of your way to make a cheap joke. Your arrogance is consistent with many of your posts.
You are a particularly shallow individual, in my opinion, despite that you typically take progressive positions that appear to align with social benefit. You claim to argue them, however, as an exercise in 'Socratic method', which reveals the reality of your posts. You take progressive positions, not because you actually believe in them out of a sense of social concern or responsibility, but because, as man is a social animal, they are really the easiest to defend with logic. Conservative positions being based largely in fear and anti-social self-interest. Your interest then, is purely argumentative. You love to argue -- and you often do so with a display of contempt for what you apparently consider the inferior intellects you choose to toy with -- though there is nothing about Socratic method that calls for an insulting methodology.
I say this above because you have entered into this topic with intentional disrespect -- to create antagonism that will fire argument.
The reality is that people protested the Vietnam War as a corporate war far more than the Iraq War is now seen. The Iraq War has been condemned, finally, by some as a political fiasco, largely born of hubris and vanity. Yet the vets returning from Vietnam were not generally well received, while the vets from Iraq are hailed as heroes. Respect for service has been given a facelift.
Yet, in all cases, for all wars, real understanding and appreciation is shallowed in America -- overshadowed by marketing of commercialism. Another poster, BruSan has written of the focus to give respect for those who sacrificed in military action in parts of Europe. That's what this is about. Appreciation.
What do you want? Do you want to gather up people, put a gun to their head and force them to respect a given day or person? I think that would be a greater disrespect to the fallen who defended liberty.
Then again, most people today do not deserve liberty. They deserve a boot to the head and an oppressive ruling power. They do not respect liberty as they are too busy whining about why others aren't doing what they think they should do.
No sir. Your first post on this thread was flippant. You went out of your way to make a cheap joke.
Nothing "flippant about it", merely a suggestion that one should think about why younger generations aren't too interested in memorial day. But I'm going to stop reading here, no interest in your ranting.
Nothing "flippant about it", merely a suggestion that one should think about why younger generations aren't too interested in memorial day. But I'm going to stop reading here, no interest in your ranting.
Good, because there's no interest in your superficiality, blatant disrespect and disregard. But many have died for your right to be flippant and many more of us were willing to. Go figure. You should have such substance.
Here's one individual; regardless of what flag you've served under who will respect and appreciate your service without question or qualifier being applied regardless of which conflict it happened to be.
Regardless of what flag? Without question or qualifier? Interesting...so then you respect and appreciate the service of Nazi soldiers and military officials?
That's me in the little red car--headed to the annual Memorial Day service at a country cemetery in the next town over from me. I attend every year.
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