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I know several people at the weekly car show who served in Vietnam.
One of my car friends served in Korea.
My doctor served in the late-'40s.
One of my Uncles served, also in the 1940s.
Exactly.
My dad served, so did several uncles and cousins, my husband served.
I lost a nephew 2 years ago in Iran, and my neighbors boy is in Afghanistan right now.
For that poster to say that not many people actually know people that have served, or are currently serving, is pure hogwash.
Let me get this straight: your position is "unless you have personally served in the military, you have no right to criticize the military". Is that correct?
You can criticize the military all you want. You can criticize politician's and the wars we fight all you want. I gave up nearly 15 years of my life to defend your right to do so.
But, you may NOT criticize the troops or Veteran's themselves. You may NOT question their motives or their behaviors because you don't know jack sh-t. When you say things like this....
"Most of the living veterans I have come across under 75 years old are leftist, anti-Christian, amoral scoundrels."
"Today it is overrun with women and the men who want them around for ignoble reasons."
"Veterans tell me they served for "freedom", but too often what they mean is the freedom to tear babies apart in the womb, freedom to fornicate and cohabitate, freedom to read their smut, freedom to thumb their noses at the values of more civilized generations."
...you've crossed over the line from having an opinion about the military or our wars and moved into the area of denigrating and questioning the very people who allow you to sleep safely at night, the very ones who are standing guard over you and your children right now at great personal cost to themselves. When you go there, you become not a critic, but a self-centered, arrogant, self-important sh-thead who's only seeking to aggrandize himself at the expense of his betters.
In other words, you don't know anyone yourself. Thanks for making my point.
We all know people who know people, but that's not the same at all.
America only lost 58,000 in the Vietnam War. There are 300 million people in this country. You do the math.
I know some personally. I was there when they died. Do you want me to tell you about them or, better yet, put you in touch with their surviving family members so you can tell THEM what you think?
The general public is no longer viscerally connected to America's wars. Most of us don't know anyone who has died in any of our wars in the last 50 years. For most of us, the wars are fought by other people for their own reasons.
It's tough to make the connection between today's wars and our freedom. We needed to be in Afghanistan for ten years to remain free? Seriously? Oh, yes, I know there are terrorists in Afghanistan. But that's exactly where we want them, isn't it? Just keep them away from America.
A couple other problems: Most of the living veterans I have come across under 75 years old are leftist, anti-Christian, amoral scoundrels. Not the kind of people we should be looking up to. The contrast with the WW-II generation is staggering. I know there are exceptions, but I find this to be the rule. Furthermore, let's face it, today's military has lost a lot of the respect it once had. I realized that when General Noriega of Panama was blasted out of hiding with rock music. Rock music! I thought the military was supposed to help you grow up. The culture of the military today is virtually pornographic. Today it is overrun with women and the men who want them around for ignoble reasons. Rape and sexual abuse are out of control. And now we are opening the door to the gays. Sorry, I wish I could recommend the military to my own son but I can't. Where's the honor anymore?
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Wow. I have a half day clinic at the VA in addition to my private practice. I would say that the majority of vets I run across (from all age groups) are salt of the earth, honest people. Most I come across in my clinic are Christian and despise Obama. Maybe it is the state I live in, but the vets I see are really nice people.
You can criticize the military all you want. You can criticize politician's and the wars we fight all you want. I gave up nearly 15 years of my life to defend your right to do so.
But, you may NOT criticize the troops or Veteran's themselves. You may NOT question their motives or their behaviors because you don't know jack sh-t. When you say things like this....
"Most of the living veterans I have come across under 75 years old are leftist, anti-Christian, amoral scoundrels."
"Today it is overrun with women and the men who want them around for ignoble reasons."
"Veterans tell me they served for "freedom", but too often what they mean is the freedom to tear babies apart in the womb, freedom to fornicate and cohabitate, freedom to read their smut, freedom to thumb their noses at the values of more civilized generations."
...you've crossed over the line from having an opinion about the military or our wars and moved into the area of denigrating and questioning the very people who allow you to sleep safely at night, the very ones who are standing guard over you and your children right now at great personal cost to themselves. When you go there, you become not a critic, but a self-centered, arrogant, self-important sh-thead who's only seeking to aggrandize himself at the expense of his betters.
In other words, you don't know anyone yourself. Thanks for making my point.
We all know people who know people, but that's not the same at all.
America only lost 58,000 in the Vietnam War. There are 300 million people in this country. You do the math.
My sphere of influence is not typical. I do not have any children, I am an only child and my family lives 2,000 miles away. I don't have friends and my husband's SOI is much the same. We don't know people. We don't socialize. So you can't go by my personal experience.
Come to think of it, we do have one lady who comes to the tanning salon who lost her son in Desert Storm. So I guess that qualifies.
OP sounds like all the other college kiddie rants, clueless as to why they have the freedoms they do in this country....
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