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Old 05-29-2012, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Gross Domestic Product: the total amount of goods and services PRODUCED by our nation in a year. This figure is used to measure the size and strength of the economy within a certain time period

Has anyone ever considered things destroyed in a year? Let's put this on a micro scale. That 1940s house built in a bustling Detroit counted toward GDP of that year. That house was just foreclosed and bulldozed over by the bank in 2010. This surely isn't an economically meaningless activity is it? If we can't count the house toward GDP, doesn't its destruction count away toward it? At the very least, shouldn't lost wealth and destruction have SOME part in our methods of measuring our economy on a macro scale?
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Old 05-29-2012, 08:50 PM
 
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Y = GDP

C = Consumer Spending

I = Investment made by industry

E = Excess of Exports over Imports

G = Government Spending

That is what makes up GDP.

C. Consumer spending. If people spend $100 on 20 items 5 years ago and then spend $140 for those same 10 items does that really mean things have improved?

I = Investment made by industry. Now this would be a good one and correct me if I'm wrong, industry is not investing in itself right now.


E = Excess of Exports over Imports. No, I don't think so here either.

G = Government Spending. Yes that is up but is this really a sign of a stronger economy?
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Old 05-29-2012, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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What was this house's peak value?

That house was about $4,500 new

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Old 05-29-2012, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Y = GDP

C = Consumer Spending

I = Investment made by industry

E = Excess of Exports over Imports

G = Government Spending

That is what makes up GDP.

C. Consumer spending. If people spend $100 on 20 items 5 years ago and then spend $140 for those same 10 items does that really mean things have improved?

I = Investment made by industry. Now this would be a good one and correct me if I'm wrong, industry is not investing in itself right now.


E = Excess of Exports over Imports. No, I don't think so here either.

G = Government Spending. Yes that is up but is this really a sign of a stronger economy?
I took econ in high school I'm well aware of what GDP comprises. What I want to discuss is if spending is a sufficient measure of economic health.
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Old 05-29-2012, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Holiday, FL
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Gross Domestic Product: the total amount of goods and services PRODUCED by our nation in a year. This figure is used to measure the size and strength of the economy within a certain time period

Has anyone ever considered things destroyed in a year? Let's put this on a micro scale. That 1940s house built in a bustling Detroit counted toward GDP of that year. That house was just foreclosed and bulldozed over by the bank in 2010. This surely isn't an economically meaningless activity is it? If we can't count the house toward GDP, doesn't its destruction count away toward it? At the very least, shouldn't lost wealth and destruction have SOME part in our methods of measuring our economy on a macro scale?
First of all, you must consider the fact that politicians will "SMOKESCREEN" the real issues, and emphasize the numbers that make them look good. Another example is, if you have an ugly mole next to your ear, you're going to make sure your hair looks good and covers the mole so that people will look at your hair rather than the mole.

During the campaigns, you hear talk about "housing bubble", and "JOBS", but have you heard just one talking about "INCOME"? The dollar value of the production in one year is only a small part of the equation. But, as long as they keep your mind on that figure, you do not see other figures that don't make them look very good at all. They are directing your attention away from things that are detrimental. You don't get to see the whole picture because they're keeping your mind on what they want you to see.

Actually, it's a form of "mass hypnosis", and it seems to be quite effective.
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Old 05-29-2012, 09:55 PM
 
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I took econ in high school I'm well aware of what GDP comprises. What I want to discuss is if spending is a sufficient measure of economic health.
Which I addressed. If government spending is up, that can't be said to automaticallybe a positive.

If you are spending more on the same number of items as before, I do not understand how that can be a positive.

So no, spending alone is not a sufficient measure.
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Old 05-29-2012, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Wartrace,TN
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Y = GDP

C = Consumer Spending

I = Investment made by industry

E = Excess of Exports over Imports

G = Government Spending

That is what makes up GDP.

C. Consumer spending. If people spend $100 on 20 items 5 years ago and then spend $140 for those same 10 items does that really mean things have improved?

I = Investment made by industry. Now this would be a good one and correct me if I'm wrong, industry is not investing in itself right now.


E = Excess of Exports over Imports. No, I don't think so here either.

G = Government Spending. Yes that is up but is this really a sign of a stronger economy?
They claim GDP is "up" but when you look at government "borrowed" spending at roughly 10% of GDP can you really say that GDP is growing? If you BORROW the money is it fair to count it in GDP? If that is the case I would be able to "borrow" my way into the upper class....
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Old 05-29-2012, 10:20 PM
 
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People tend to be too absent from the political process in this country.
They read poop somewhere or hear a stand up comic tell them crap and they take it as Gospel. In that regard we have some pathetic people among the good ones.
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Old 05-30-2012, 12:11 AM
 
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Gross Domestic Product: the total amount of goods and services PRODUCED by our nation in a year. This figure is used to measure the size and strength of the economy within a certain time period

Has anyone ever considered things destroyed in a year? Let's put this on a micro scale. That 1940s house built in a bustling Detroit counted toward GDP of that year. That house was just foreclosed and bulldozed over by the bank in 2010. This surely isn't an economically meaningless activity is it? If we can't count the house toward GDP, doesn't its destruction count away toward it? At the very least, shouldn't lost wealth and destruction have SOME part in our methods of measuring our economy on a macro scale?
I don't know, did you read any of the tens of thousands of books on economics? Did you bother to google "why is gpd important"?

This isn't a new, random, unknown topic. Stop being so lazy and do your own research. This forum doesn't exist to do that for you.
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Old 05-30-2012, 12:17 AM
 
Location: In my view finder.....
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YOU seem to know more than some of the smartest economists in the world, hence your reason for posting on this forum instead of publishing your findings or teaching at the London School Of Economics or Wharton.



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Gross Domestic Product: the total amount of goods and services PRODUCED by our nation in a year. This figure is used to measure the size and strength of the economy within a certain time period

Has anyone ever considered things destroyed in a year? Let's put this on a micro scale. That 1940s house built in a bustling Detroit counted toward GDP of that year. That house was just foreclosed and bulldozed over by the bank in 2010. This surely isn't an economically meaningless activity is it? If we can't count the house toward GDP, doesn't its destruction count away toward it? At the very least, shouldn't lost wealth and destruction have SOME part in our methods of measuring our economy on a macro scale?
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