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Old 09-22-2007, 06:30 PM
 
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It's called a critique. If you post assertions devoid of facts, numbers devoid of context, generalizations devoid of distinctions, you might receive a critique from others. A critique can be part of a discussion, not necessarily the end of a discussion.
I've seen at least 5 people respond to your "critique" by taking a step back and saying, "Let's see YOUR facts"...... Guess they'll have to keep on waiting, eh??
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Old 09-22-2007, 06:49 PM
 
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And enough with the Socialism.
What is socialism?
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Old 09-22-2007, 06:54 PM
 
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I've seen at least 5 people respond to your "critique" by taking a step back and saying, "Let's see YOUR facts"...... Guess they'll have to keep on waiting, eh??
It was their essay, not mine. Life's tough like that, I guess. These guys must've never had a term paper chewed up by the teacher.

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Old 09-22-2007, 07:10 PM
 
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It was their essay, not mine. Life's tough like that, I guess. These guys must've never had a term paper chewed up by the teacher.

LOL..... Okay..... Go ahead then....
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Old 09-22-2007, 07:11 PM
 
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What is socialism?
A society that redistributes wealth regardless of personal contribution to that society.
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Old 09-22-2007, 07:12 PM
 
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A society that redistributes wealth regardless of personal contribution to that society.
That's not what the dictionary says.
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Old 09-22-2007, 07:13 PM
 
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That's not what the dictionary says.

Please don't confuse these ideologues. It's really unpleasant to watch.
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Old 09-22-2007, 07:19 PM
 
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Please don't confuse these ideologues. It's really unpleasant to watch.
I don't find this too confusing.... It's pretty straight forward

Socialism: Socialism refers to a broad array of doctrines or political movements that envisage a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community[1] for the purposes of increasing social and economic equality and cooperation.

Unpleasant indeed.
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Old 09-22-2007, 07:25 PM
 
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So you feel that your property and wealth distribution is under control of the community?
If you broaden it to include only partial control then every society ever to exist qualifies as "socialist" to some extent, in which case it would be impossible to say "enough with the Socialism," as you put it. With such a broad definition we'd have to get rid of public schools (or any public funding of schools), since that helps to increase social and economic equality too much... we'd need to get rid of public transportation, make people pay for their own roads... it'd be a pretty hard and destructive path away from "socialism."

And where did you get that definition? It doesn't fit any of these

socialism - Definitions from Dictionary.com

"Socialism" requires state control over MOST or ALL property, MOST or ALL of the economy, MOST or ALL of the nation's industry... America's nowhere close to socialism and it won't be for a long, long time, at least not in the classical, Marxist-style fashion, maybe the neo-Conservatives'll find a new kind of "conservative socialism with American characteristics" that we can fall for and be duped by, although I doubt it.
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Old 09-22-2007, 07:37 PM
 
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So you feel that your property and wealth distribution is under control of the community?
If you broaden it to include only partial control then every society ever to exist qualifies as "socialist" to some extent, in which case it would be impossible to say "enough with the Socialism," as you put it. With such a broad definition we'd have to get rid of public schools (or any public funding of schools), since that helps to increase social and economic equality too much... we'd need to get rid of public transportation, make people pay for their own roads... it'd be a pretty hard and destructive path away from "socialism."

And where did you get that definition? It doesn't fit any of these

socialism - Definitions from Dictionary.com

"Socialism" requires state control over MOST or ALL property, MOST or ALL of the economy, MOST or ALL of the nation's industry... America's nowhere close to socialism and it won't be for a long, long time, at least not in the classical, Marxist-style fashion, maybe the neo-Conservatives'll find a new kind of "conservative socialism with American characteristics" that we can fall for and be duped by, although I doubt it.
You might be right that the U.S. is nowhere near "pure" socialism, yet the policies you listed are indeed socialistic. The more that are implemented the closer to pure socialism we slide.
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