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Stand your Ground laws are being questioned now with recent shootings we have seen. Many have posted here about the shooting in Arizona also, of a disabled man merely walking his dog, while a patron was in his car at a Taco bell with his gf.
I am sure there are alot more stories about needless sootings and victims.
THIS IS NOT A RACE THREAD. Please make this about the law, in a court, the issues of race are not important, what's important is: should SYG laws be allowed to stay, now we have seen so many needless and reckless shootings and murders?.
Florida "justifiable homicides" since SYG was enacted in 2005 have tripled:
According to his family, Brandon Baker was goofy, but now Baker is gone. Baker is another victim of Florida’s Stand Your Ground Law. On March 6, 2012, Baker and his twin brother were driving home from a party at 2 am in separate cars. At some point 23-year-old Security Guard and Afghanistan Vet Seth Browning spotted him and thought he was driving suspiciously (The key word is suspicious in both cases). The family has started a petition. Browning followed Baker and his brother all the way home and when the brothers got out to ask him why he was following them (remember Trayvon ask Zimmerman why he was following him), he pepper sprayed them and while they were bent over trying to clear their eyes, he shot Brandon. Browning has not been arrested, but the Pinnelas County Sheriff is investigating.
Justifiable’ homicides have tripled in Florida, alone, since 2005 when this law came into affect.
How could following someone to their home, then shooting them at their home possibly be justifiable or viewed as self-defense? This has nothing to do with SYG. There's nothing justifiable here. Why has Browning not be apprehended?
I think SYG laws, some of them more poorly worded than others, amount to a license to kill with impunity. What is driving enactment of these laws--is it the gun industry?
Regarding the Castle Doctrine or “Make My Day” laws. These laws address a problem that does not exist. There are ample protections under the common law for individuals to use the privilege of self-defense, including reasonable mistaken self-defense. Florida legislators now claim to have never anticipated abuses under these laws.
Critics have been vocal about the potential for abuse under these laws for years. Legislators have ignored those warnings because of the popularity of these laws.
“Make My Day laws” (applying to the home) and “Stand Your Ground laws” (applying in “other places”) is that they facilitate or enable those who are inclined to use lethal force. The Horn case out of Texas is such an example where, as with Zimmerman, Joe Horn ignored instructions not to confront the suspects.
The above mentioned laws are creating a sense of vigilantism. Reckless homicides.
I am not opposed to taking a look at these laws to see whether there have been abuses, in particular cases where people kill and get away with it, when it was not self-defense. As a gun owner and gun-rights supporter, the last thing I want is for guns to be misused. Just as, for example, someone who loves democracy would be the first person to stand up against voter-registration fraud.
However, let's get the details right. In the Zimmerman case, he did not ignore "instructions not to confront the suspects." The exact words of the dispatcher were "we don't need you to do that [follow Martin]." That's quite a difference from saying that he was ordered not to confront. Anyway, we don't yet know for sure what happened after that.
If, as Martin's family reps say, Z stalked and killed Martin, there is no self defense, and SYG does not apply. If, as Z says Martin attacked him, had him on the ground, and was bashing his head against the pavement, there was no opportunity for retreat, so again SYG does not apply.
Again, why not wait for the trial to see what the facts are before coming to a conclusion?
I am not sure, apparently the gun lobby. In the article on Sun Sentinel it said Congress is hesitant to repeal the law.
TRIPLE rates in homicides since 2005 are a direct result of SYG...I would think its a no brainer for the legislature...
guess what, a homicide is not a murder. please get your facts straight. any killing is considered a homicide until the actual charge is done.
if a woman would have killed her would be rapist in the act of trying to rape her, she would still have a charge of homicide against her. if the da came back and said it was justified, then the charge would be dropped.
so please seperate your claims of homicides vs murders.
How could following someone to their home, then shooting them at their home possibly be justifiable or viewed as self-defense? This has nothing to do with SYG. There's nothing justifiable here. Why has Browning not be apprehended?
I think SYG laws, some of them more poorly worded than others, amount to a license to kill with impunity. What is driving enactment of these laws--is it the gun industry?
Credit is widely given to a former president of the NRA (first woman president) for the Florida SYG law. She is praised as being a great lobbyist for the NRA.
guess what, a homicide is not a murder. please get your facts straight. any killing is considered a homicide until the actual charge is done.
if a woman would have killed her would be rapist in the act of trying to rape her, she would still have a charge of homicide against her. if the da came back and said it was justified, then the charge would be dropped.
so please seperate your claims of homicides vs murders.
no, no, no. you're getting confused there. There is no crime called "homicide" ... people are charged with breaking specific LAWS, they are not charged with something as vague as just "homicide." Law enforcement people do not file charges.
Your example of a rape victim being charged with "homicide" is just wrong. That's not the way it would play out.
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