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Old 06-12-2012, 02:50 PM
 
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All you've proved is that you don't read, but rather scan words. Funny how you still supported what I stated, though. I appreciate that.
actually, it proves that you don't read. as demonstrated in your last post, you have shown that you don't know what Evolution really is.

What I posted does not support any thing that you posted. You said that creationism and evolution can co-exist.. You are 100% wrong, since creationism needs "god" to "exist".

Science and evolution exists without an imaginary boogey man.
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Show me the skeletons of the procession of species from ape to man. You can't.
Man you are so far behind you have been lapped by the australopithecines.



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Cro Magnon is dated to 35,000 years and that's about as far back as any "proof?" goes.
Considering that we are Cro Magnon men (Homo sapiens), you seem a bit confused. We have (among others):

Homo heidelbergensis



Homo ergaster



Homo rudolfensis



Homo habilis



Australopithecus africanus



Australopithecus afarensis




Ardipithecus ramidus




These are all known from multiple fossils of multiple individuals, including significant parts of the (in some cases the entire) post cranial skeleton.

I left out many of the side branches such as H. neanderthalensis, H. erectus, H. floresiensis, Paranthropus boisei... the number of others is extensive. In short, the fossil evidence of human evolutioon is represented by tens of thousands of fossils representing thousands of individuals dating back some 5.6 millions of years..

I leave your incompetent discussion of radiometric dating for later.
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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You comments are like a fly buzzing a blue whale... Biting around the lose ends doesn't debunk anything. If it did, even you wouldn't believe the fairy tales in your lame book.

So, let me get this right, Adam and his rib, Eve, produced a son and a daughter.... OK, then what??? Did Adam rape his daughter, did the son rape his sister, did the rib join in there somewhere????? I mean you can drive a 787 thru the holes in your fair tales, but you're splitting hairs and demanding I go out and dig up bone hundreds of feet down and connect all the dots???

Occam Razor

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You only need to watch/listen to William Lane Craig explain how science and creationism does co-exist, and tear up every athiest he debates in the process.

He's debated Law, Silver, Shook, Millican, Badawi, Flew, Hitchens (who now understands the truth,) among many others. The granddaddy of athiests Dawkins refuses to debate him, because he'd be torn apart.

Creationism doesn't ignore science, just bad (bunk) science. Science and creationism can and do co-exist, science based on the perception "there is no God" cannot.



Show me the skeletons of the procession of species from ape to man. You can't.

Cro Magnon is dated to 35,000 years and that's about as far back as any "proof?" goes. Unless a piece of a jaw, or a tibia qualifies after being spoofed into a fantastic (and impossible) find. I'm not even sure carbon dating is accurate; "The fact that carbon and radioactive carbon are independently formed means that their ratios to one another could have changed substantially from ancient times to today".

We know that after Hiroshima/Nagasaki and all the nulear tests, carbon dating was thrown off a bit. So how can we say something is actually as old as RCD implies?
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:07 PM
 
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It can if you can offer some scientific evidence in support of it.

Growth alone supports evolution. Creationism, the living form would pop into reality at whatever size it was to be, and always be, and then pop out of reality again.
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Old 06-12-2012, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Doesn't matter what the flavor of the month label YOU put on it, it is still the same thing. You're trying to inject your religious BELIEFS into the mainstream educational process. That is a no no, becuz there isn't enuf room in the day to cater to everyone's beliefs. Allow one, allow all....

Religion is a belief system, evolution is well settled science.
I'm an atheist. Obviously you need to read more carefully.
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:15 PM
 
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That isn't creationism. It's not a "form" of creationism either. It's simply called theism.
rubbish. i believe that god created the universe, or at least the conditions that would allow the universe to come into being. i also believe that he guided the evolution of the universe, and everything in it until we have what we have today.
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:18 PM
 
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Intellectual Designers. Explain the morals of a monkey smoking?

This is peered review science of smoking monkeys.

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Old 06-12-2012, 10:12 PM
 
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Why can't creationism and science co-exist?
Rational creationism can. Biblical creationism cannot..

The universe may have been created, but if so it was by a far more rational and intelligent being than the Bible's primitive man made god.

Creationists aren't going to get anywhere until they abandon the broken Bible and its ridiculous mythology.
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Old 06-13-2012, 06:35 AM
 
Location: Rational World Park
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Rational creationism can. Biblical creationism cannot..

The universe may have been created, but if so it was by a far more rational and intelligent being than the Bible's primitive man made god.

Creationists aren't going to get anywhere until they abandon the broken Bible and its ridiculous mythology.
"Rational Creationism"? LOL

There's nothing rational about believing in invisible beings without evidence.
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Old 06-14-2012, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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rubbish. i believe that god created the universe, or at least the conditions that would allow the universe to come into being. i also believe that he guided the evolution of the universe, and everything in it until we have what we have today.
I repeat, what you describe is not creationism, it is merely theism.

I don't believe in God myself, but I have enough respect for the theistic position to resent its identification with the "preposterous, mind-shrinking falsehood" of creationism.

cre·a·tion·ism
n.
Belief in the literal interpretation of the account of the creation of the universe and of all living things related in the Bible.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/creationism
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