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Old 06-05-2012, 02:30 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Originally Posted by Savoir Faire View Post
So if a cop says so it must be right? Do as your told and never question authority, no matter what.
Can't rep you again - but...?

Why aren't you a conservative?
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Old 06-05-2012, 02:30 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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It looks to me they are on the outside part of cutout probably for ambulance parking, drop offs etc. That's commonly a sidewalk. In the latter part of the video where they are standing and the officer is taking names that's on the median.
The reporters and camera operators were originally inside the hospital. The hospital asked them to leave, and the police asked them to move to the sidewalk across a four-lane, well-traveled, avenue. It was not ambulance parking or for drop-offs.

All of the reporters and camera operators, except two, complied with the "lawful order" given by the police. One reporter and one camera operator stopped on the center meridian, failing to cross the street. Officer Ward repeatedly told the reporter and camera operator to cross the street, and they refused to comply. Therefore, the reporter and camera operator and have been cited with a misdemeanor.

This is no different than a law enforcement officer giving a protester a lawful order, if the officer deems traffic is being impeded or there is a threat to public safety.
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Old 06-05-2012, 02:32 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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If you watch until the end, both guys "arrested" were free and standing in their original location.

Regarding the First Amendment thing, he was basically correct, if you are "inciting" you can NOT say whatever you want on a public street.

The reporters were in no way inciting, now the scene created by the cop could be.
Darn! I have to spread reps around before giving it to you again!
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Old 06-05-2012, 02:32 AM
 
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So if a cop says so it must be right? Do as your told and never question authority, no matter what.
You may question all you want but be prepared to be arrested if you're going to break the law. Thanks to your link too Google maps it's quite clear they were not on a sidewalk and the cop was fully justified in his actions.
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Old 06-05-2012, 02:36 AM
 
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It was not ambulance parking or for drop-offs.
I see that now thanks to Savoire Faire.

Having seen the Google map I'd have to completely agree the cop was justified.
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Old 06-05-2012, 02:38 AM
 
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The reporters and camera operators were originally inside the hospital. The hospital asked them to leave, and the police asked them to move to the sidewalk across a four-lane, well-traveled, avenue. It was not ambulance parking or for drop-offs.

All of the reporters and camera operators, except two, complied with the "lawful order" given by the police. One reporter and one camera operator stopped on the center meridian, failing to cross the street. Officer Ward repeatedly told the reporter and camera operator to cross the street, and they refused to comply. Therefore, the reporter and camera operator and have been cited with a misdemeanor.

This is no different than a law enforcement officer giving a protester a lawful order, if the officer deems traffic is being impeded or there is a threat to public safety.
What right did the cop ask them to leave a public sidewalk? How is them standing on one sidewalk going to impede traffic more than standing across the street? Please explain
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Old 06-05-2012, 02:41 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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I agree with both you and starlite9 politically - and I know we disagree with McCandless - but I do disagree with you if you think this was an arrestable offense.
I do consider "Failure to Comply with a Lawful Order" to be an arrestable offense. We see it everyday with the OWS protesters. More often than not, they are arrested, removed from the area, then cited and released. Only the most egregious offenders are put in jail. It is a misdemeanor to refuse to comply with a lawful order.
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Old 06-05-2012, 02:43 AM
 
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I do consider "Failure to Comply with a Lawful Order" to be an arrestable offense. We see it everyday with the OWS protesters. More often than not, they are arrested, removed from the area, then cited and released. Only the most egregious offenders are put in jail. It is a misdemeanor to refuse to comply with a lawful order.
The reporter was initially standing on a public sidewalk, how is asking them to leave a lawful order?? Does the fact that a cop said it make it lawful??
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Old 06-05-2012, 02:44 AM
 
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What right did the cop ask them to leave a public sidewalk?
They aren't on a sidewalk and that is quite clear thanks to you.
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Old 06-05-2012, 02:45 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Only the most egregious offenders are put in jail.
LOl - I have spent some time in jail - and sometimes it wasn't for "egregious" crimes - the cops deciding that it was one - does not mean much.

Especially if I wasn't charged with a crime afterwords.
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