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Though force seems extreme and unconstitutional, courts have apparently had no argument with the limit to which law enforcement has gone to force a DUI arrestee to provide a sample. In order to draw blood, courts have allowed police to place pillows over the heads of kicking and fighting DUI defendants; use stun guns after five to six officers held the DUI defendant down; restrain around the DUI defendant’s neck; and use sticks to subdue the DUI defendant.
I would consider such action to be an unjustified physical assault and take whatever action I deemed neccesary to defend myself and prevent an unconstitutional seizure of my blood or DNA.
A machine that records an image is much different then the collection of bodily fluid or genetic data - one is more intrusive then the other - and you cannot justify the forced collection of such things without amending the Constitution:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the person or things to be seized".
- United States Constitution, 4th Amendment
My DNA is not public property - it belongs to me and me alone. If you want it - get my consent(fat chance) or get a judge to sign a warrant - and don't try to use the lame "reasoning" that my refusal to give consent inplies that I have "something to hide".
What about genology research? There are several companies who research your genome for a price. Ancestry is just entering the market but does not release the genetic breakdown to share with other sites for privacy concerns. This is becoming a popular way of finding lose relatives and family.
Would you do this knowing a complete breakdown of you exists?
If you are not guilty of anything, you should have no objection to the police taking prints or DNA or blood from you. Only people that have something to hide would say no.
If I know I'm not guilty of anything, why would I even cooperate? What if the act of giving them DNA makes them suspicious of me?
There's only one instance where I've given my fingerprints, and that was to get my CCW license. If they want anything more than that they're either gonna need a warrant or promise me some pretty awesome superpowers or something.
I have nothing to hide but that is so far from the point I really have to wonder about your concept of FREEDOM. It's a constant in world history. All governments no matter how democratic or not they are will always attempt to errode personal freedoms from the people. For example, right now in Canada we have a government that is seriously attempting to pass a law that allows them to access everyones internet history, WITHOUT A WARRANT. What complete nonsence that is. Not only does it show a complete disregard for Canadian's privacy it shows just how out of touch with the law the present government is. It's almost a certainty that any such law would be struck down by the supreme court as being unconstitutional. As far as gathering everones DNA goes, that is something right out of a novel like 1984.
I have nothing to hide but that is so far from the point I really have to wonder about your concept of FREEDOM. It's a constant in world history. All governments no matter how democratic or not they are will always attempt to errode personal freedoms from the people. For example, right now in Canada we have a government that is seriously attempting to pass a law that allows them to access everyones internet history, WITHOUT A WARRANT. What complete nonsence that is. Not only does it show a complete disregard for Canadian's privacy it shows just how out of touch with the law the present government is. It's almost a certainty that any such law would be struck down by the supreme court as being unconstitutional. As far as gathering everones DNA goes, that is something right out of a novel like 1984.
In the unfortunately shortlived series Caprica, an artifical life form is created out of a man's dead child. He searches every record, every mention, scans her personal things, and remakes his daughter. With the willingness for people to put up the facebook page with their name and life laid out for everyone to see, it doesn't seem far fetched at all. Everyone who puts anything on the internet should be aware its stored away somewhere and a pretty good personality profile could be done of you without facebook. I draw the line at something which tells everyone my name and picture. I do get good things out of the interaction, but don't want to be recognizable to someone on the street.
If really want to do the Ancestry test because it would solve a puzzle where family stories don't match what I see others say, but I believe family even though any records have fallen through the trap door. But even if its a secure database, who says it can't be appended? I don't like the idea of handing over the very components of who I am to just anyone.
Excuse me? What about privacy issues, respect for the Constitution, and not being a tool for turning our republic into a police state? Your argument is the same argument used all the time to make creeping tyranny and erosion of liberty "palatable" to the sheeple.
"Live free, or die".
Your privacy is not a cover for you to do crimes. Everytime the police find ways to catch criminals, the criminals start screaming about "privacy". Not that they care about it, they just want to continue with their crimes and not get caught whether they are felonies or speeding and getting caught by speed cameras. If you law abiding, you don't have to worry about "privacy".
If I know I'm not guilty of anything, why would I even cooperate? What if the act of giving them DNA makes them suspicious of me?
There's only one instance where I've given my fingerprints, and that was to get my CCW license. If they want anything more than that they're either gonna need a warrant or promise me some pretty awesome superpowers or something.
Lord knows agenda driven prosecutors and law enforcement officers would never tamper with evidence.
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