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Old 06-07-2012, 12:52 PM
 
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I'm equating poverty to unequal opportunity. Conservatives equate poverty to equal opportunity. Go figure.

Yes, people who sit at home and collect welfare all day COULD home school their kids if they had literacy skills.

But people who work all day at crappy low-wage jobs can't home school their kids.
If you are equating poverty to unequal opportunity, you are barking up the wrong tree. I was homeless when I started my business and within 10 years, I became a millionaire. You dont get much poorer than sleeping in the street.
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Old 06-07-2012, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Do they guarantee 100% coverage, accepting EVERY kid?
Do they guarantee government oversight, that nothing in the Bill of Rights is violated (given that the many of these ideas are likely to be implemented by religious groups)
I guess there are no absolute guarantees in life but if a kid has a voucher for (say) $10,000 it seems likely that there is going to be some school to his/her liking that will accept his/hr $10,000. Is there a "guarantee" that you will be able to buy a pair of shoes if I give you a $150 money order made out to the shoe store of your choice? Nope, no guarantee, but it seems unlikely you would have a problem getting a pair of shoes.

As for the Bill of Rights, there's an argument to be made that the current system violates it. If you're an agnostic/atheist/humanist, the state provides an education for 'free' that is congruent with your religious beliefs. But if you're (say) Catholic, you have to pay double--once in taxes to fund the public schools, and again in tuition to fund your school.

Having vouchers eliminates this problem, and restores religious freedom.
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Old 06-07-2012, 12:58 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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...when they go to great lengths to keep their kids out of failing public schools? (e.g. they often homeschool their kids or do everything possible to avoid failing public schools and put their kids in better schools)
Because everyone born with a trust fund and a legacy acceptance to an Ivy League school does have equal opportunity?
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Old 06-07-2012, 01:02 PM
 
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Because everyone born with a trust fund and a legacy acceptance to an Ivy League school does have equal opportunity?
I guess we should just confiscate all wealth just so you, and the crackhead can both start at an even playingfield, right?
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Old 06-07-2012, 01:08 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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I guess we should just confiscate all wealth just so you, and the crackhead can both start at an even playingfield, right?
I never said anything of the kind, just for the record let me state your asinine words are completely your own.
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Old 06-07-2012, 01:12 PM
 
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I never said anything of the kind, just for the record let me state your asinine words are completely your own.
Well clearly you dont like people with trust funds, so this would mean everyone should be "the same".. The only way to assure that would be to confiscate all wealth..

Whats the matter, dont want to compete against a crackhead?
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Old 06-07-2012, 01:13 PM
 
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If you are equating poverty to unequal opportunity, you are barking up the wrong tree. I was homeless when I started my business and within 10 years, I became a millionaire. You dont get much poorer than sleeping in the street.

Okay, this oughta be good.

How exactly did you start a business while homeless? Apparently you did not have to carry any inventory and you probably didn't have any productive capital equipment. Was it all in your head?
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Old 06-07-2012, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Equal Opportunity does not guarantee equal success.. geez, its not that hard to understand...
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Old 06-07-2012, 01:15 PM
 
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Okay, this oughta be good.

HGow exactly did you start a business while homeless? Apparently you did not have to carry any inventory and you probably didn't have any productive capital equipment. Was it all in your head?
I went to the local college to get a shower every day, I went to the local library to use their computers. I actually got access to a college computer room so I could program. And no, I didnt have to carry inventory, or capital equipment when I started out.. Thats why public libraries and other organizations exist. USE THEM..

The fact that you want to whine all day long, waaa, waaa, I cant do it, is the first sign of failure...
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Old 06-07-2012, 01:15 PM
 
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...when they go to great lengths to keep their kids out of failing public schools? (e.g. they often homeschool their kids or do everything possible to avoid failing public schools and put their kids in better schools)
Do you mean like Obama who sends his kids to private school AND the vast majority of dems in Congress.


If THEY think public school is so good, why don't they send their kids to the local public schools.

Post fail.
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