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Have you served?
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Yes, and I'm disabled because of it.
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Do you believe whistle blowers are the same as people leaking classified information for political reasons?
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Yes, because the reality is that at that level, there is no distinction.
You cannot separate politics from government, any more than you can separate government from politics.
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How do you feel about that private who leaked that classified information to Wikileaks?
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I wanna have his baby.
If it were up to me, he would already have high schools in each State named after him, a big bronze statue in every city, a marble edifice in Washington DC, and his likeness carved on Mount Rushmore, just for starters.
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Your attitude towards this is not surprising. Your judgment is clouded by personal feelings… Take in the facts and then make a decision in that order. Don’t remain blinded because of your hate for the current administration…
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My attitude is based on Truth & Reality.
Unlike you, I have read and handled several thousand pages of documents classified Secret or Top Secret as a matter of course for the various duties I performed.
Unlike you, I'm intelligent enough to recognize that there is huge distinction between National Security and National Embarrassment.
Unlike you, my moral compass and ethical position does not allow me to abuse the document classification system, and classify documents under the false pretense of "National Security" when the real issue is avoiding "National Embarrassment."
Unlike you, I know that the US government classified nuclear weapons testing on US soil not for matters of National Security, but for matters of National Embarrassment, in particular, to avoid paying disability benefits to veterans who were exposed ionizing radiation as part of nuclear weapons testing, and to avoid paying damages to US citizens who were injured by fallout from nuclear weapons testing -- like those residents of New Jersey.
Unlike you, I know that the US government classified its illegal, unethical and immoral radiation testing program at Cincinnati General Hospital (now University Hospital) not for reasons of National Security, but for reasons of National Embarrassment -- because the government did not want to admit it engaged in illegal, immoral and unethical radiation experiments and did not wish to compensate the patients who unwittingly participated as guinea pigs or their families.
Unlike you, I know that the US government classified its illegal, unethical and immoral medical experiments on Black men with syphilis, and also on groups of people in Nicaragua and Guatemala with syphilis, because the government wanted to be spared from embarrassment and hide the fact that what it was doing was illegal, unethical and immoral, nor did it want to compensate the victims and their families.
Shall I continue?
Because I can do this all f*****g day long for the next 3 months.
My knowledge is infinitely superior to yours regarding matters of document classification.
Would you like to discuss nuclear weapons security? Would you like to discuss the fact that your government paid in excess of $140 Million for a security system that didn't work --- and it was classified, not for reasons of National Security, but in order to spare the government, and lots of idiots in the government the embarrassment of having to answer questions like, "
How could you be so goddam stupid as to spend that kind of money to purchase a security system.....when you knew in advance that it did not work and had never worked."
I told them. I wrote an evaluation on it. So did others. Over twenty officers, senior enlisted and a couple of (DA) civilian government employees condemned the system, and objected to its purchase, and they bought it anyway.
To get your hands on a nuclear warhead, you needed only a piece of cardboard 1" wide, 1/4" thick and at least 4" in length....and you could defeat their $140 Million pile of scrap metal and get a nuke.
Some idiot in the Reagan Administration told Reagan there weren't any "back-pack nukes" in Germany, so Reagan (at a televised press conference) tells the whole freaking world there aren't any back-packs in Germany....except there are 226 of them.
And now we have to jump through hoops and pull out our hair to find a way to get all 226 back-pack nukes out of Germany, before someone finds out they are still there, and without anyone knowing that we are taking them out.
Yeah...get it? How do you get back-pack nukes out of Germany without the Germans knowing?
How do you get back-pack nukes out of Germany with the whole world watching your every step...literally. All of the anti-nuke pukes from Canada, US, Britain, Australia, Russia, Germany, and every other freaking country on Planet Earth was watching us because of the Pershing IIs and GLCMs. Every suspected "nuclear facility" in NATO was watched by a crowd at the gates with cameras and videos.
Nuclear weapons missions are classified routinely as a matter of course at the Secret level. These missions were classified Top Secret. Why? For reasons of National Security? No, to spare the government embarrassment.
We got them out after a nice psy-ops warfare campaign, and using some deception/misdirection.
You still have documents related to Pearl Harbor classified Top Secret Cosmic. Why? National Security? No, National Embarrassment. Those documents will be/should be reviewed for declassification at the 75 year mark which would be 2022. I'm not real clear on that. Truman changed the system around 1947-1948 and everything was re-classified under the new system implemented then.
75 years from 1947 would be 2022, but it would be 2023 from 1948.
There's something in those documents your government is afraid to let you see. It has nothing to do with National Security, and everything to do with National Embarrassment -- namely the fact that your government knew the Japanese fleet was enroute to Pearl Harbor.
There are still 100,000 pages of documents from the Kennedy Assassination still classified Top Security Cosmic. They were classified in 1964, so they are scheduled for review in 2039. National Security? No, National Embarrassment. There's something in those documents that your government doesn't want you to know, and it had/has no bearing then or now on National Security.
Communiques between Glaspie and DC. Classified in 1991 Top Secret Cosmic. Scheduled for review in the year 2066. Why? National Security? No, National Embarrassment.
I reviewed the bulk of the Wikileak documents when they came out. They're on my laptop right now. Not one of those documents was a matter of National Security. It was all National Embarrassment. I challenged people then -- show me a document that relates to National Security. I'm still waiting for someone to show me even one document.
Obama's illegal overthrow of the Honduran government is a matter of National Security? Wrong.
Obama was wrong and it has nothing to do with National Security and everything to do with Chiquita stocks, and abusing the system to spare him embarrassment is wrong.
Billary is illegally gathering bio-metric data on diplomats in direct violation of the Vienna Treaty?
She is wrong, and classifying documents in order to cover up her illegal, immoral and unethical acts is wrong, and it is an abuse of the document classification system.
We've been through this before with the Pentagon Papers. Nothing in those documents was even remotely related to National Security, and we can thank a federal judge who was smart enough to see through the government's deception and abuse and put the government in its place.
I see Wikileaks as the exact same thing -- seeing through the government's deception and abuse and putting the government in its place. If a federal judge lacks the moral courage and personal integrity to uphold the Constitution and do that, then I'm glad a Private in the US Army did.
I will now pose my usual dare that everyone on this forum thus far has refused to answer with any explanation:
If the documents Private Bradley leaked discussed plans to illegally arrest and detain Americans who "dissented" or were critical of the government in secret camps, would you still refer to Bradley as a traitor?
If you answer "No" to the question then you have exposed yourself as an hypocrite.
If you answer "Yes" then you have revealed that you have no moral compass, that your ethics are purely situational, and worse than that, you are less than human and not worthy of life on Earth.
Serving...
Mircea