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If I went to a Christian church and asked to be married to someone of the opposite gender, but told them I don't believe in Jesus Christ, or God, do they have the right to refuse to marry me? Of course, they can refuse to marry a STRAIGHT couple who doesn't share their religious views. Does that mean we cannot be married, period, because it is not in a place of worship? Of course not. We can march right down to any courthouse and be married CIVILY. It should be the same with gay couples. Separate your RELIGIOUS marriage from CIVIL marriage. You know, there are straight couples too who want no part of YOUR religion.
But understand that Christians don't appreciate when some of you try to change the institution of marriage just to accommodate your selfish desire to receive more government benefits, with no regard for how any other person or thing is affected or harmed in the process.
Exactly who or what is affected or harmed in the process?
It's very big of you whenever you speak respectfully of the other 98.5% of humanity that is not like you. If you are fine with the way that you are and do not seek help, you will not find any true Christian trying to force you change.
You already have to right to engage in a public ceremony at at an alternative church of your choosing. But understand that Christians don't appreciate when some of you try to change the institution of marriage just to accommodate your selfish desire to receive more government benefits, with no regard for how any other person or thing is affected or harmed in the process.
You made this thread as a joke, didn't you?
Can you elaborate on the "harm" you mentioned in the first post? What kind of harm? Who would the victim be?
EDIT: Puggal asked the same thing while I was typing. Now Ozzy, can you explain?
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#1 - so have a civil ceremony and call it a day.
#3 - this isn't about being treated equal, this is about re-defining words. The reality is we already have equality which is the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. If it's okay to re-define marriage, can I re-define taxes? After all I think the government should pay us instead of paying them. Does that sound okay to you?
When you go to City Hall you're issued a Marriage License having nothing to do with religion, WHAT exactly do you think is being redefined?
You are not really saying anything. You are just giving your opinion without any facts. For starters, the law for DOMA has not been overturned. It is still a law. People are trying to overturn it but until it is, it's still the law.
As far as interracial marriage it never changed the definition of the law, it just added a provision. It wasn't even recognized in all the states your argument is completely flawed.
It most certainly changed the definition of the law. My argument is not flawed, you just haven't the foggiest clue how the law works, and you are support a double standard.
How do you expect anybody to take you serious when you claim you know what Jesus would do???
You guys claim what Jesus would do quite often. Quite hypocritical of you to criticize another for doing it.
But here is the glaring difference between you and Jaymax's position. Jesus actually condemned self-righteous, legalistic, hypocritical conservative religious folk like we find so common among anti-gays.
Why do people responding to this thread act like Christians are the only ones who opposed to same sex marriage?
Well, probably 95% of anti-gay sentiment is based on extremist religious views. It's not exclusive to Christianity, as Islam and a lot of Orthodox Jews have a problem too. However, in the United States, it's nearly exclusively pushed by the Fundamentalist/Evangelical Christian crowd.
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If you want to talk about laws then the argument is going to go beyond Christianity, but if you
want to talk about what the Bible says then that is the conversation we should be having.
Well, seeing as you guys consistently butcher and misinterpret the Bible to justify your hatred of gays, we certainly aren't going to get anywhere by discussing that.
Most men have a higher sex drive than women and take more risks, so it makes sense that homosexual men would be more promiscuous.
And yet, statistically they aren't.
Gay men:
"In a study of sexual behavior in homosexuals and heterosexuals, the researchers found that of gay and bisexual men, 24% had one male partner in their lifetime, 45% had 2-4 male partners, 13% had 5-9 male partners, and 18% had 10 or more sexual partners, which produces a mean of less than 6 partners."
Another study showed that gay men had an average of 6.5 sexual partners in the past 5 years. The study also showed that "homosexual and bisexual men are much more likely than heterosexual men to be celibate".
A random sample of primarily straight men (n=3111 males who had had vaginal intercourse), the mean number of sexual partners was 7.3, with 28.2% having 1-3 partners, and 23.3% having greater than 19 partners.
They are in it for the benefits that are tax subsidized not different than siphoning off welfare. I don't my taxes to support their filthy perverted lifestyle.
Lol, heterosexuals have far more perverted lifestyles than gays, and your taxes support that deviancy.
Well, probably 95% of anti-gay sentiment is based on extremist religious views. It's not exclusive to Christianity, as Islam and a lot of Orthodox Jews have a problem too. However, in the United States, it's nearly exclusively pushed by the Fundamentalist/Evangelical Christian crowd.
Well, seeing as you guys consistently butcher and misinterpret the Bible to justify your hatred of gays, we certainly aren't going to get anywhere by discussing that.
Who is 'you guys'? Where in the Bible is homosexuality condoned?
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