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Old 06-12-2012, 08:19 AM
 
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I am not a "Christian" as most people would define it.

I do not belong to any organised religion, nor do I wish to.

I do however, follow the basics, by which I mean the Ten Commandments.

A really important and often overlooked one is "Thou Shalt Not Kill".

Now this is quite simple, it means what it means, there are no other confusing sentences about oxen and servants.

How does America, being a (mostly) Christian country with Christian principles, manage to reconcile the Death Penalty with this Commandment?

It directly contravenes the "word of God".
As a Christian you should then understand that the Hebrew translation is "Thou shall not murder". There is a difference between killing and murder, though obviously, it does not fit your agenda. When the OP comes out and denounces Obama's endless bombings and war mongering perhaps she can be taken as sincere. Until then it is nothing more than feigned outrage.
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:23 AM
 
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I don't know. I heard Jesus was/is god. The same god as the OT. Then Jesus also said he came not to abolish the law but to fulfill the law.
And it seems a lot of people here don't understand how Jewish law works.
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:25 AM
 
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What's amusing is all the lefttards who want to do away with the death penalty, yet they sentence to death innocent babies in utero.

And they wonder why we think they're screwed up.
A fetus is not a baby, even under Jewish law. Meanwhile, you conservative "Christians" sentence that baby to an eternity of torture in a furnace just for being born.

Yeah that's so much more righteous.
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:27 AM
 
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If you don't believe killing innocent babies is murder, that's your cross to bear. So you do think killing babies is OK, then? And you don't find anything screwed up about tools that suck the heads off unborn 3rd trimester babies?

OK, then.
Who on earth here supports 3rd Trimester abortions? I don't know a single Pro-choice person who is ever discussing 3rd Trimester. For one, it's illegal except if it will kill the mother. And 2, we're always talking about very very early pregnancies, like before the embryo/fetus even has a brain.
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:31 AM
 
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Originally Posted by MsAnnThrope View Post
I am not a "Christian" as most people would define it.

I do not belong to any organised religion, nor do I wish to.

I do however, follow the basics, by which I mean the Ten Commandments.

A really important and often overlooked one is "Thou Shalt Not Kill".

Now this is quite simple, it means what it means, there are no other confusing sentences about oxen and servants.

How does America, being a (mostly) Christian country with Christian principles, manage to reconcile the Death Penalty with this Commandment?

It directly contravenes the "word of God".
Basically, you are making the assumption that it's christians (I loved how you used " " in your title, it's a pretty clear indication you were going to make a bigoted christian bash) that are anchoring support for the DP.

I guess it's convenient when you want to try to paint them all as hypocrits while making a bigoted attack on them.

What's next from you? Threads about how "blacks" or "asians" or "jews" are all a certain way?
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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Originally Posted by MsAnnThrope View Post
I am not a "Christian" as most people would define it.

I do not belong to any organised religion, nor do I wish to.

I do however, follow the basics, by which I mean the Ten Commandments.

A really important and often overlooked one is "Thou Shalt Not Kill".

Now this is quite simple, it means what it means, there are no other confusing sentences about oxen and servants.

How does America, being a (mostly) Christian country with Christian principles, manage to reconcile the Death Penalty with this Commandment?

It directly contravenes the "word of God".
From what my criminal law professor taught me, I believe the original moral justification for capital punishment was the belief that the untimely and unlawful taking of another person's life upsets the natural order of the world, and in order to restore it to balance the killer's life has to be taken. Or something like that.
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Old 06-15-2012, 10:00 PM
 
Location: Australia
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From what my criminal law professor taught me, I believe the original moral justification for capital punishment was the belief that the untimely and unlawful taking of another person's life upsets the natural order of the world, and in order to restore it to balance the killer's life has to be taken. Or something like that.

But isn't that just creating another killer?

Two wrongs do not add up to a right.

Who gets to throw the switch? The victims family or a government worker? If it's the government worker, you have created another killer who is just "doing his job" as justification.

Would Jesus throw the switch?
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Old 06-15-2012, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Australia
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As a Christian you should then understand that the Hebrew translation is "Thou shall not murder". There is a difference between killing and murder, though obviously, it does not fit your agenda. When the OP comes out and denounces Obama's endless bombings and war mongering perhaps she can be taken as sincere. Until then it is nothing more than feigned outrage.

Translated by whom? I specifically asked for Christian viewpoints...I know little or nothing about "Hebrew" and was not directing my question at non-Christians.

Every text I have ever read says "thou shalt not KILL".

Why do Americans have to bring politics into EVERYTHING? I posed a general question, nothing to do with Obama, more to do with people's consciences and morality.

I will argue political standards on the appropriate threads if I choose. This is not a political thread, nor is this exclusively a political forum.
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Old 06-15-2012, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Australia
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Basically, you are making the assumption that it's christians (I loved how you used " " in your title, it's a pretty clear indication you were going to make a bigoted christian bash) that are anchoring support for the DP.

I guess it's convenient when you want to try to paint them all as hypocrits while making a bigoted attack on them.

What's next from you? Threads about how "blacks" or "asians" or "jews" are all a certain way?

How about you stop bashing me and put some thought into answering the question? I am hardly likely to ask questions about "blacks" or "jews" as I DON'T KNOW ANY.
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Old 06-16-2012, 12:48 AM
 
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Originally Posted by MsAnnThrope View Post
I am not a "Christian" as most people would define it.

I do not belong to any organised religion, nor do I wish to.

I do however, follow the basics, by which I mean the Ten Commandments.

A really important and often overlooked one is "Thou Shalt Not Kill".

Now this is quite simple, it means what it means, there are no other confusing sentences about oxen and servants.

How does America, being a (mostly) Christian country with Christian principles, manage to reconcile the Death Penalty with this Commandment?

It directly contravenes the "word of God".
Seems you do not even know what a Christian is to start with. Then obviously you do not know that even Christ called for the putting to death of certain sinners clearly in the bible. Chistians are not agianst death for evil people or a eye for a eye.They eve call for victory agianst the devil and his deciples in war. by slaying them.I think you do not read has that do not kill does not say execute for reason as bible states. Perhaps reading headlines without the text is a probelm you have.
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