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We are a majority Christian nation. I shouldn't have to (and won't) dig up the statistics to prove this to you. Just because your feelings are hurt doesn't mean that I, or anyone else, will cater to you. Fortunately, the Court decided you and your ilk aren't winning the "under God" debate. Go back to your corner and cry some more with the other vile, disgusting atheists who find solace in empty platitudes.
Being majority Christian doesn't mean ****, or do you think we should reinstate Jim Crow cause we're majority white?
we do not and are not ruled by the majority, so your "statistics" is bupkis
No one is "catering" to anyone. the addition of "under god" to the pledge was to cater to the reglious.
Actually wrong. The courts have ruled that the "under god" in the pledge "ceremonial and patriotic nature" and did not constitute an establishment of religion" (Newdow v. Rio Linda Union School District.)
But, the original intention of adding "Under God" was to "establish" a recognition of religion. This is where the constant repetition of a term or phrase had rendered the original "reason" and intention moot.
Much like how people do not say "make a copy' they say "go make a xerox" of that paper. Xerox is a brand, not a verb.
and here we see the root of your hatred.
How do you do that? I mean cut up the quote like that?
we do not and are not ruled by the majority, so your "statistics" is bupkis
No one is "catering" to anyone. the addition of "under god" to the pledge was to cater to the reglious.
Actually wrong. The courts have ruled that the "under god" in the pledge "ceremonial and patriotic nature" and did not constitute an establishment of religion" (Newdow v. Rio Linda Union School District.)
But, the original intention of adding "Under God" was to "establish" a recognition of religion. This is where the constant repetition of a term or phrase had rendered the original "reason" and intention moot.
Much like how people do not say "make a copy' they say "go make a xerox" of that paper. Xerox is a brand, not a verb.
and here we see the root of your hatred.
How do you do that? I mean cut up the quote like that?
Some of them were, but positively NOT all of them. They active ones who wrote the founding documents were certainly not active Christians. Some historians think Franklin would have called himself an atheist, but that term would have gotten him a short rope tied to a high tree. Jefferson rewrote part of the Bible to take out the miracles and other stuff he found too incredible to believe. He was probably a deist. Check on the religious affiliations of Madison, 'Washington, Payne, etc. The ones who actually wrote the Constitution were not active mainstream Christians, and they were very careful to create a secular government.
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Some of them were, but positively NOT all of them. They active ones who wrote the founding documents were certainly not active Christians. Some historians think Franklin would have called himself an atheist, but that term would have gotten him a short rope tied to a high tree. Jefferson rewrote part of the Bible to take out the miracles and other stuff he found too incredible to believe. He was probably a deist. Check on the religious affiliations of Madison, 'Washington, Payne, etc. The ones who actually wrote the Constitution were not active mainstream Christians, and they were very careful to create a secular government.
Exactly! The whole point of this country and Constitiution which our forefathers created, was to have a country free of any religious influence, control and manipulation. Several of them were Christians, but they believed their individual beliefs were their own private business. No one else's business. They wanted to give everyone the freedom to pary, worship and belive in whatever religion they choose to. But in their own private spirituality, on their own privacy. Not on the public, state and federal levels.
I wouldn't mind the words "Under God" being stricken from the pledge. Not that it's doing much good there anyway. Eisenhower decided to add it in for whatever reason when it actually goes against the other religions some might have. That was one of the big reasons I hardly ever said it high school 10 years ago - I was agnostic and me saying "Under God" went against that belief, thus I refused to say it. Not to mention it was well within my Constitutional right to do so.
Of course it's on topic, I'm just suggesting an equally stupid and ineffectual platitude for Christians to repeat..
If you say so.
Getting back on topic, is it really that big of a deal if the words "Under God" are stricken out of a secular pledge?
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Our forefathers were christian.
