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And this is the crux of the problem. Libertarianism and Communism are completely unrealistic because both philosophies assume that people are naturally good when they simply aren't.
Not true at all. Libertarians recognize human failure and that's why the most important role of government is protection of the people.
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Libertarians say that a government would safeguard against these things, and I don't believe it. A libertarian government would be way, way too weak to prevent such things from happening or to address them properly when they did. You might as well have anarchy because in practice, there's essentially no difference between the two ideas.
Then it wouldn't be a Libertarian government. Try reading the Libertarian philosophy again. The NUMBER ONE role of government is to protect the rights of the people.
Anarchy and Libertarian governments are totally opposite.
How does a Libertarian government determine what the "rights" of the people are and how they are to be protected?
Do these rights include never paying income tax? Do they also include never having to pay for medical care. How about protecting the citizens' investments in foreign countries?
I don't care what it is called we have a fuedalistic society now. In a fuedalistic society the masses of people are kept in control economically by a very small percentage of the people with "power and money" In the old days chains and whips were used to control the people but now they use money. We are quickly becoming a third world country.
How does a Libertarian government determine what the "rights" of the people are and how they are to be protected?
Do these rights include never paying income tax? Do they also include never having to pay for medical care. How about protecting the citizens' investments in foreign countries?
Read the libertarian party's platform. It covers all of this.
Why should a government protect your personal decision to invest over seas by purchasing something like a greek bond? That is your decision and your money, do what you want with it.
If libertarians get their wishes then the US will become a feudal society with many warlords and fiefdoms. Since the government will be too small* to actually protect people's rights, the rich will hire their own military force and the poor will have to either work for the rich as pseudo-slaves or risk getting killed.
Humans started off as libertarians. The hunter-gatherer societies started off without civilian rulers and military forces. Yet, why did people submit themselves to governments? Because they wanted to protect themselves from the strong, and the only way to do that is to work for the strong.
Libertarians want to cherry-pick their rights but that's just arbitrary. Why do corporations have rights but not the environment? A government small enough to appease the libertarians will be one that's too small to do anything at all.
How does a Libertarian government determine what the "rights" of the people are and how they are to be protected?
Do these rights include never paying income tax? Do they also include never having to pay for medical care. How about protecting the citizens' investments in foreign countries?
The idea would be a much reduced federal government. Most rational libertarians believe we should have federal standards for safe foods, just differ on the means of achieving that goal. Through law, and private business meeting the need.
But the regulations the better. I believe that affirmative action should expire. I think that is a gay couple running a bakery doesn't want to serve a straight couple, then they should have that right.
If libertarians get their wishes then the US will become...
a Constitutional Republic, again!
When ideological numb nuts resort to throwing out this kind idiosyncratic nonsense... you know they're feeling the breath of rational thought on their necks.
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liberatarianism= LIBERTY= FREEDOM
liberalism= big governemt = anti freedom
I quoted this, because I have the freedom to! (for the moment)
The idea would be a much reduced federal government. Most rational libertarians believe we should have federal standards for safe foods, just differ on the means of achieving that goal. Through law, and private business meeting the need.
Why is it that on this site so many people believe that Libertarians can't/won't compromise? Like what Memphis1979 said above, there are rational/pragmatic Libertarians. We aren't all strict non-compromising ideologues, just like those who consider themselves Democratic or Republican.
If there were ever a Libertarian majority, the U.S. would be renamed Koch Town.
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