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Sure- it was a bad idea then, and it is a bad idea now. Do you suppose, simply because Reagan did it, that it was a good idea? Do you think that every conservative (like every liberal) just follows party doctrine mindlessly?
Is this a trick question?
To one degree or another there are hopeless ideologues that follow mindlessly, endlessly. How many posters continue to drone on as Obama racks up failure after failure. They can't seem to wrap their minds around the fact that he's just another politician; in fact, he's an UBER-Politician! His cronies use his skin color more than any conservatives ever have... but then I'm labeled a racist for even thinking such a thing. Funny when a white liberal calls a person of mixed race, a racist. They refuse to hear the truth and rationalize their insanity with racist accusations.
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Reagan did so with the agreement that steps would be taken to fully enforce illegal immigration and stop the bleeding. This was the "compromise"; the libs (of course) reneged on the agreement and failed to fully enforce illegal immigration.
And per their usual MO, the Democrats didn't follow through with their promises, while reaping the benefit of Reagans optimism. SNAFU
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Obama is a commie who holds contempt for the constitution and, as a serial law breaker, "selectively" obeys the law (i.e.- he holds contempt for the rule of law and HE will determine what is legal, just like a good authoritarian socialist).
He is the first President whom we can go back and use his own words against him, not just a few times, but in lists. He will be remembered as the consummate flip-flopper. One day he can't do something, the next day he does it. He circumvents Congress at every turn in his quest to hang on to power. I'd say he's a Marxist and so would his socialist colleagues.
In 2008, candidate Obama deceived the American public about his potentially damaging tie to this third party [The New Party]. The issue remains as fresh as today's headlines, as Romney argues that Obama is trying to move the United States toward European-style social democracy, which was precisely the New Party's goal.
Is Obama a socialist? Obama falls within the mainstream of contemporary socialism as represented by Germany's Social Democrats, the French Socialists, or Spain's socialist-workers party. By this criterion, yes! Obama is a socialist. He is clearly a socialist in the European sense of the term.
Did you know that nearly 30% of Americans are pro-socialism? These otherwise smart, mostly white kids, have no clue what true socialism leads to. Did you ever in your life think that the NAZI Party would get 6% of the vote in Greece? OMG how quickly people forget the sins of communism.
You're cherry picking, Reagan never would have signed it and never would have passed though Congress without the other provisions which included increased illegal immigration enforcement and tougher law on employers. It was supposed to solve the illegal immigration issue once and for all and as history has shown that didn't happen. The amnesty was supposed to be one time deal and increased enforcement was to prevent future issues like we have right now, if the bill had worked as intended Obama wouldn't have anyone to grant amnesty too.
Your probably right about Reagan not signing it without those provisions, but in the end he pulled a standard republican shell game that is still used today. He put the enforcement provisions in and crowed about it to the public but then he and Congress never funded the money necessary for proper enforcement. Does a recent example, 2 wars and a drug plan, all unfunded, ring a bell? Reagan did the same.
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Would that be Ron Paul? There's a few others that come close. The problem is that even if they are elected, the political machine would crush their principles. To get anything done they'd have to cave in to political pressures. We've seen it time and time again.
Yes it would be. Ron Paul has been re elected 12 times and has not had to cave to political pressure. Now it seems as if his tenacity is paying off with the audit the fed bill due to be voted on next month. I think good things come to those that wait and have the willpower and supporters behind them.
Reagan did so with the agreement that steps would be taken to fully enforce illegal immigration and stop the bleeding. This was the "compromise"; the libs (of course) reneged on the agreement and failed to fully enforce illegal immigration.
Yet you conveniently overlook that the Obama administration has deported illegals in record numbers.
No you're trying to compare apples to oranges. First and foremost amnesty was granted with a bipartisan effort from Congress (you know those people that represent us) and signed by President Reagan.
Obama on the other hand has done this by executive order in defiance of Congress.
Understand the difference?
What happened under Reagan is vastly different than what is being done under Obama primarily because of the things I've already outlined. The reason you won't get support from Conservatives for this now is because granting amnesty incrased the illegal immigrants in this country......
Hogwash! What is the difference? Just because Reagan got Congressional approval makes it better?
Hogwash! What is the difference? Just because Reagan got Congressional approval makes it better?
I never said it made it better, it was mistake then and it's a mistake now. The difference now is we know it's a mistake. If you made mistake 25 years ago are you hypocrite today for not making the same mistake?
As far is going through Congress I'd suggest researching how our government works. To quote Obama.....
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"..... that for me simply through executive order to ignore those Congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as President"
He understood his role then so I'm not sure what happened in between now and then....... ohhh wait there is an election coming up.
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