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Old 06-20-2012, 03:48 AM
 
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During the Cambrian Explosion apparently CO2 levels were 15 or more times higher than now. Maybe not causation or correlation, but it seems that high CO2 levels are not bad for life.
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Old 06-20-2012, 05:10 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Trees (all plants AFAIK) do give off CO2 at night. It is only during they day that they absorb it. Even so, they absorb far more during daylight hours than they release at night. It's only when they die and decompose that they present a problem from a CO2/methane standpoint.
The natural decomposition of plant material isn't a "problem." It is a good thing, and it enriches the soil. That's why you put lots of organic matter in your garden. In a forest it is what supports the undergrowth (wild flowers and nice green things).

I think we are getting just a little bit crazy when we see naturally occurring things as a "problem." Even things such as cow flatulence on a dairy farm are seen as a "problem" by warmists! That is just plain stupid!
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Old 06-20-2012, 05:24 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Humans exhale small amounts of oxygen as well, its why mouth to mouth works. But its not nearly as much as we consume. Same with plants.

No co2 shortages.
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Old 06-20-2012, 05:33 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Even if he did just misspeak, he's still wrong. There is definitely not a shortage of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere right now.
This whole obsession with supposedly too much carbon dioxide is just plain insane. Plants do "breath" (if you will) carbon dioxide. They need it, just as we need oxygen. And they in turn give off oxygen.

Personally, and you Godless lefties will gasp, I'm sure, I believe God keeps everything in balance. After all, He created the universe and everything in it. He created the laws of physics and it is by His will that all things hold together.

It is when we do not believe in God that we are subject to, and begin to believe, every lie and every hoax that people with an agenda to control our behavior to suit their own quirky beliefs can create.

The idea that man is causing the "planet" to warm means that they can convince us that oil is bad, coal is bad, automobiles are bad, and just about everything and every activity that makes life easier and more enjoyable. They would rather we not eat meat, not control predators (wolves, are becoming a problem in some areas, because they are protected), not drive cars, not cut trees for lumber, etc.

Next thing you know, someone is going to be out to outlaw the outdoor wood burning furnaces that are so popular around here since the wackos have driven up the cost of heating oil by their efforts to stop drilling and exploration and the refining of oil in the U.S. I can't use my furnace anymore because the heating oil is too costly. We depend instead on a propane fireplace (propane is still relatively cheap) and electic space heaters.
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Old 06-20-2012, 05:56 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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It needs to be said that trees like most other life on Earth except one species doesn't pull huge amounts of carbon from the ground and put it into the atmosphere. The way we are going we will make this planet be like our neighbor Venus which has aas much carbon as Earth but most of it is in its atmosphere. Venus has a nice shirt sleeve climate where it is 900 F in the shade and the air is like being a few hundred feet under the sea surface. Lovely place that Venus and it never rains either !

And it's always been that way.
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Old 06-20-2012, 05:58 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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You do realize, as your thread indicates, that a majority on this forum don't believe in science, right?

No, we believe in science. We just don't believe in forecasts, conjectures and people who have an agenda.

Science is wonderful.
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Old 06-20-2012, 05:58 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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So much misinformation and so little time.

FWIW - If god made the planet he made a few, from the point of view of living critters, major errors such as flood basalt volcanoes, asteroid impacts, pole to equator glaciers and a few more gems. IMHO the planet was made by collecting debris from the primal cloud around the sun, including the impact that created the moon, and has been changing ever since. Life, as defined as self replicating molecules, has been around a couple of billion years and is still evolving to adapt to changing conditions. We have been here as humans about half a million years. All this time the planet, along with the rest of the universe, has been completely indifferent to our fate as individuals or as a species.

We are returning to the atmosphere billions of tons of Carbon sequestered since the Carboniferous Age when it was first collect by the equatorial forests. The resulting CO2 traps reradiated energy and the planet gets warmer. If we stopped burning coal and oil the temperature will continue to rise until plant life scrubs the CO2 out of the atmosphere. Instead of moaning that reducing CO2 concentrations is absolutely necessary now, I suggest we use the remaining Carbon based fuels to develop a long range coping mechanism that will allow the continued existence of Homo Technicalis.
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Old 06-20-2012, 06:00 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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So, to you the distruction of an entire people, a unique culture maybe gone for ever is just a matter of moving to a new house. I'll tell you what isnot rocket science. It's not rocket science that there are millions of ignoramuses out there.
That is something we can agree on.
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Old 06-20-2012, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Some folks are ideologues, they have been convinced that science = politics = liberal conspiracy, and unless they are deprogrammed, you have to write them off as hopeless.

Alot of them don't even believe what they are saying, they only have spite for the environment and this is how they display it. There are surely other mental issues at play, of course, an appalling ignorance is often one of them.

Look in the mirror.
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Old 06-20-2012, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Wow, neat how the facts for an era gone by are chiseled in stone from an air bubble encased in a little chunk of ice from ONE spot on earth 800,000 years ago.

Good thing no animal farted when that bubble formed or they'd be chiseling 'methane dominated the atmosphere' 800,00 years ago.

Major groan.

I question that science has all the facts.

It's not science. It's speculation. And any schoolkid can come up with a useless theory about what happened a hundred million years ago.
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