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Old 06-26-2012, 01:43 PM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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Yeah, and before you had bath salts and sythetics and what not you had people just huffing crap like industrial solvents and what not.

Yay, the joys of permanent brain damage!

Yep. People back in the day used to huff freeon, and all of that other crazy s***! Stupid.

At any rate, that show on A&E called Intervention actually had an episode where people were hooked on inhalants. I think there were 2 people featured, in which 1 died (It had been awhile since I had seen it). For the record that is one of the few reality shows that is decent (well even it is getting a bit hokey too). It's always someone hooked on meth, alcohol, pills, heroin, or crack. Never once have I seen one based on a "marijuana addict."
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Old 06-27-2012, 12:00 PM
 
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This is a very valid point.

It's also true that marijuana has been engineered towards greater potency over the years, however it's nowhere near as bad as the synthetic *stuff*.
Cannabis is not being genetically modified by engineering it's DNA to increase it's potency. Corn is being genetically modified, that's when a bacterium's DNA is combined with corn DNA in a lab, so that corn can produce it's own insecticide. This type of "engeneering" would never occur in nature, and so doesn't occur when selective breeding.

The only group that has genetically engeneered cannabis has been a group of researchers in Israel who managed to create a strain of cannabis with no THC.

The reason you can now get higher potency cannabis in greater quantities than you could have in the 70's is because of selective breeding and better farming methods (indoors cultivation where everything is controlled).

The highest potency available is whatever the plant can produce with it's native DNA and any selective breeding, that's it. If something is more potent you will use less to get to the same place, so no big deal.

Just like beer and scotch both contain alcohol. Scotch is not "Super beer". If you want to get plastered than either will do, you'll just use less of the scotch to get there.

Unfortunately alcohol is toxic and cannabis is not. So using a more concentrated version of alcohol to excess can kill you, while using a more potent version of cannabis will not.

The prohibitionists want you to believe there is some super frankencannabis out there created in a lab. Not true. They keep pushing this story in an attempt to say that today's cannabis is more of a danger than anyone has ever experianced (so your own experiance is invalid) and that is why cannabis use must be stopped, yadda, yadda, yadda.

The reality is that high potency cannabis has been around since at least the 70's, but in limited quantities because most of it was not grown under ideal controlled environments - at that is still true today although, thanks to the Drug War, more of it is being grown indoors with higher potency than previously.

Here is a link to a UK newspaper that gave a fantastic headline about engineered cannabis, only to retract it at the end because what the prohibitionist in the piece was really railing about was better farming metods and selective breeding. High concerns as cannabis enters industrial age | Science | Guardian Weekly
Another fine example of prohibitionist hysteria.
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Old 06-27-2012, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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I have never understood why people use drugs.
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Old 06-27-2012, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Does that mean Obama is a zombie too?
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Old 06-27-2012, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Cannabis is not being genetically modified by engineering it's DNA to increase it's potency. Corn is being genetically modified, that's when a bacterium's DNA is combined with corn DNA in a lab, so that corn can produce it's own insecticide. This type of "engeneering" would never occur in nature, and so doesn't occur when selective breeding.

The only group that has genetically engeneered cannabis has been a group of researchers in Israel who managed to create a strain of cannabis with no THC.

The reason you can now get higher potency cannabis in greater quantities than you could have in the 70's is because of selective breeding and better farming methods (indoors cultivation where everything is controlled).

The highest potency available is whatever the plant can produce with it's native DNA and any selective breeding, that's it. If something is more potent you will use less to get to the same place, so no big deal.

Just like beer and scotch both contain alcohol. Scotch is not "Super beer". If you want to get plastered than either will do, you'll just use less of the scotch to get there.

Unfortunately alcohol is toxic and cannabis is not. So using a more concentrated version of alcohol to excess can kill you, while using a more potent version of cannabis will not.

The prohibitionists want you to believe there is some super frankencannabis out there created in a lab. Not true. They keep pushing this story in an attempt to say that today's cannabis is more of a danger than anyone has ever experianced (so your own experiance is invalid) and that is why cannabis use must be stopped, yadda, yadda, yadda.

The reality is that high potency cannabis has been around since at least the 70's, but in limited quantities because most of it was not grown under ideal controlled environments - at that is still true today although, thanks to the Drug War, more of it is being grown indoors with higher potency than previously.

Here is a link to a UK newspaper that gave a fantastic headline about engineered cannabis, only to retract it at the end because what the prohibitionist in the piece was really railing about was better farming metods and selective breeding. High concerns as cannabis enters industrial age | Science | Guardian Weekly
Another fine example of prohibitionist hysteria.
Last time I smoked pot was in the 80's, on a lunch break. I could barely function afterward and never touched the stuff again. To each his own. I suppose people that smoke regularly develop a high tolerance.
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:49 PM
 
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I think this "reefer zombie madness" has been getting plenty of coverage. There has been plenty of funding into these areas of experimentation, even by govts.
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Old 06-27-2012, 08:44 PM
 
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So, because a natural GOD given substance is illegal, someone goes out and invents a synthetic version with horrible side effects. Yep! Thanks prohibitionists! Keep up that "war on weed."
The face eater was just high on marijuana, no synthetic drugs found in his system. Exactly what I suspected would be the results.
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Old 06-27-2012, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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The face eater was just high on marijuana, no synthetic drugs found in his system. Exactly what I suspected would be the results.
The examiner has ruled out bath salts, but I don't buy it. There are hundreds of different concoctions being sold as bath salts. Then there are people manufacturing dope in their homes. There is no doubt in my mind some drug or chemical affected this otherwise normal person. They had to shoot him 7 or 8 times before he would stop his assault on the victim. They need to keep digging for the answer, or these toxicology reports are worthless.

Apparently there are lots of emergency room visits for a synthetic cocaine.
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Just like with synthetic marijuana, the stuff is being made in clandestine labs and is being offered to head shop owners like Brian Edmondson, who says he’s refusing to sell it.

The correct medical term for the stuff is mephedrone. It’s also known to doctors as methylmethcathinone.
Bath salt, legal concoction that mimics methamphetamine, is more dangerous than synthetic marijuana, experts say | PennLive.com
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Old 06-27-2012, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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It's insane to have people harming themselves with synthetic versions of pot, when all we need to do is legalize the real thing. So many lives saved as well as fortunes in a stupid drug war that just serves to perpetuate itself and destroy people's future. For what?
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Old 06-27-2012, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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I would never dream of eating shrooms. Hallucinating would not be my idea of fun. Funny though, they do consider weed a mild halucinogen. Probably because it tends to distort perception, time, and sometimes colors. I don't know why, but the color purple always seems to stand out more to me when I've toked.


But as to the synthetic crap? Uh uh. No thanks.
I've done a variety of psychedelics back in the day. I experienced some really ****ed up things, but was able to hold it together. Psychedelics require solid mental health and not a lot of stress in your life or you'll freak out because it projects your subconscious as well as amplify your senses and give one hell of a body buzz. From my experiences, anybody with mental illness, a lot of instability in their life, and or any doubts about it, shouldn't take it.

Anyways, whatever happened to smoking real pot and going to town on a bag of Cheetos instead of smoking K2...
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