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That ruling helped Texas. We had some Clean Air standards/permits defined by the state and in line with EPA standards.
Plants were operating under them for 4+ years and the EPA just recently rejected them. The judge ruled in favor of Texas and said the EPA waited long past their 18 month deadline to reject the permits.
I just have to think there's politics here as Texas is no friend to the people running the country.
The Texas permits meet the standards set by the EPA. No problems for 4+ years. All of a sudden the EPA wakes up and rejects them for not meeting standards and wants to take over the permitting process for Texas ?
That ruling helped Texas. We had some Clean Air standards/permits defined by the state and in line with EPA standards.
Plants were operating under them for 4+ years and the EPA just recently rejected them. The judge ruled in favor of Texas and said the EPA waited long past their 18 month deadline to reject the permits.
I just have to think there's politics here as Texas is no friend to the people running the country.
The Texas permits meet the standards set by the EPA. No problems for 4+ years. All of a sudden the EPA wakes up and rejects them for not meeting standards and wants to take over the permitting process for Texas ?
That's big government run amuck.
Or perhaps, with all the oil and gas wells, and refineries, Texas has some of the worst air pollution in the country, and so the people downwind are getting tired of breathing it.
No we cannot, but that doesn't give us an excuse to shirk our own responsibilities. Someone has to take the lead. If we are the leader of the free world every says we are, then it must be us. Who else is going to do it?
No, we are not the leader. Look at Europe. They trade carbon credits for meeting their standards.
That is the biggest farce there is.
Japan is (was ?) the biggest offender. They never met their goals and each year had to go out and buy up credits from other countries to meet their goal on paper.
And just think..we almost got suckered into that scheme with Copenhagen.
Thank goodness China rocked the boat and it all fell apart.
It was because of that that the EPA was given the authority to rule over us.
Talk to other countries about that. Start with the biggest offenders, like China. Maybe you can change some minds there. This country, by itself, can't make that much of an impact.
No, this country could lead, instead according to you, we should now follow China's lead.
There a trillions of dollars in new technology at stake and we allow China to steal the edge on that. Like it or not, in a post fossil fuel age, wind, solar, hydro and nuclear will be the primary energy sources of our future. If we are leading there now we will be playing catch up in a hundred years.
No, we are not the leader. Look at Europe. They trade carbon credits for meeting their standards.
That is the biggest farce there is.
Japan is (was ?) the biggest offender. They never met their goals and each year had to go out and buy up credits from other countries to meet their goal on paper.
And just think..we almost got suckered into that scheme with Copenhagen.
Thank goodness China rocked the boat and it all fell apart.
It was because of that that the EPA was given the authority to rule over us.
The argument that we cannot or should not do anything because other nations aren't (or are not doing enough) is a red herring, and indicates a willingness lean towards the irresponsible. Our country has done many great things by not waiting for others, but by taking the lead. Look, if we don't, China or someone else will (in fact, China is already taking the technological/manufacturing lead in several areas), and if that happens, who do you think is going to get left out on the jobs and technology that develops? It's going to happen/is happening right now. Fighting it is just political grandstanding for the sake of corporate votes and campaign funds. Nothing more.
Carbon credits have nothing to do with what is being discussed here. You read the OP, right?
I agree with NOMANDER that we are indeed being ruled. Just not by the government. We are ruled by Wall Street, insurance theives and monopolistic busineses like Wal-mart.
Replacing coal as fuel with natural gas is not all that difficult. I would prefer we replace both with a nuclear fission based system with full fuel breeding and recycling. Thsie electrical generators should be owned and operated ny the Federal Energy Department to minimize costs and reduce the possibility of failure due to minimized maintainence as would be expected by the private sector.
No we cannot, but that doesn't give us an excuse to shirk our own responsibilities. Someone has to take the lead. If we are the leader of the free world every says we are, then it must be us. Who else is going to do it?
Well, for one -- we are not the leader, and Obama wants to make sure that we never again will be.
Secondly, this is all part of Agenda 21, a global UN intiative that many countries have signed on to, including the US. The EPA is an important part of integrating the plan in the US. We haven't seen anything yet. Most people in the US haven't been told about it and aren't aware of any of its goals. It won't be terribly long before we're all forced into urban clusters and the majority of this country's suburbia, rural areas and wilderness will be off limits to the public. Google Agenda 21. You'll see where the EPA is a huge actor in this.
BTW, I just looked it up -- China actually is a strong proponent of Agenda 21.
Well, for one -- we are not the leader, and Obama wants to make sure that we never again will be.
Well, that certainly is nonsense. But it's yours, do have fun with it.
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Secondly, this is all part of Agenda 21, a global UN intiative that many countries have signed on to, including the US.
178 countries signed it, including us. Is there a problem here?
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The EPA is an important part of integrating the plan in the US. We haven't seen anything yet. Most people in the US haven't been told about it and aren't aware of any of its goals.
Sorry, we're not that stupid.
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It won't be terribly long before we're all forced into urban clusters and the majority of this country's suburbia, rural areas and wilderness will be off limits to the public. Google Agenda 21. You'll see where the EPA is a huge actor in this.
Let me guess - you believe that the Earth was created 10,000 years ago for the sole benefit of mankind, right?
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BTW, I just looked it up -- China actually is a strong proponent of Agenda 21.
Why wouldn't they be? Have you seen the monumental environmental problems they are struggling with? And the huge mountain of cash they stand to make if they beat us to the market? Do we really have time to stand idly by and let this opportunity (because that's what this is) pass us by? I know China isn't going to.
I agree with NOMANDER that we are indeed being ruled. Just not by the government. We are ruled by Wall Street, insurance theives and monopolistic busineses like Wal-mart.
Replacing coal as fuel with natural gas is not all that difficult. I would prefer we replace both with a nuclear fission based system with full fuel breeding and recycling. Thsie electrical generators should be owned and operated ny the Federal Energy Department to minimize costs and reduce the possibility of failure due to minimized maintainence as would be expected by the private sector.
The difference between you and I GregW, is I don't make this partisan to a "side" I think we are being ruled by both. The politicians are the ones that have the power to implement the rule, they are corrupt and are working with the corrupt businesses that use politicians to profit and increase power.
By refusing to acknowledge that the government is part of the problem, you insure that those rogue industries will continue to have control over you. Without the power of government, those industries don't have the power to influence people to that level and must hold to the restrictions of free market which has a very nasty way of dealing with such rogue institutions.
For instance in CA, if PG&E couldn't use government to enforce restrictions and environmental politics on the upstarts that were popping up everywhere to compete with them, they would have either gone out of business or actually had to compete in the industry, but because they had big government to use, they were able to run out all of the competition. That would not have been possible without government.
Though I don't expect you to agree, as you have said in the past, you are a socialism supporter, so in your ideal system, what we have now will only get worse and worse.
178 countries signed it, including us. Is there a problem here?
Sorry, we're not that stupid.
Your comments are with regard to Agenda 21, but you ask whether there is a problem with it? Unbelievable.
Do you even know what Agenda 21 entails?
This is not a topic for that, but it would explain why EPA suddenly changed its position.
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