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Old 06-30-2012, 11:49 PM
 
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Male on Male sex is called homosexuality. I don't give a fig if one is 100 and the other is 10 years old. If both are 12 years old, or if they're both 8 years old. Same sex activity is called homosexuality.
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This. Yet when it comes to pedophilia the homosexual activists want this reality overlooked because it reflects poorly on homosexuality.
And yet, ALL the research from the last 60 years proves that thousands of men with an adult heterosexual orientation have sexually molested young boys. Are there gay men who molest boys? Yes - the research shows this too. But the research also shows they are in the minority. All the researchers and clinicians who have studied or worked with child molestors and pedophiles know this. FBI profiling of sex offenders against children shows this. All the major professional health organizations know this.

Yet, Anti-gay crusaders want this overlooked because it doesn't support their 'smear and fear' 'gay=child molester' agenda.

They claim they are trying to 'protect children'. But who are they really protecting by speading their prejudiced unsupported misinformation? It's certainly not children.

Let me repost the findings from just one large study of around 4000 child molestors in the US.
The Abel and Harlow Child Molestation prevention study (2001)

Adult sexual orientation of men who molest boys.

While it is a commonly held belief that men who prefer men as adult sex partners molest boys and men who prefer women as adult sex partners molest girls, our study results suggest something different.

The 1,038 men who molested boys reported a range of adult sexual preferences. Contrary to popular belief, only 8 percent reported that they were exclusively homosexual in their adult preferences. The majority of men who molested boys (51 percent) described themselves as exclusively heterosexual in their adult partner preferences. An additional 19 percent reported they were predominantly heterosexual, while another 9 percent said they were equally heterosexual and homosexual in their adult sex life.
  • Of the pedophiles who molest boys, 53 percent also molest girls.
  • More than 70% of the men who molested boys were heterosexual or predominantly heterosexual.
  • 77% were Married or formerly married
  • 93% were Religious
Which Children Did these Child Molesters Target?

Biological Child 19%
Stepchild, Adopted or Foster Child 30%
Brothers & Sisters 12%
Nieces & Nephews 18%
Grandchild 5%
Child Left in My Care 5%
Child of Friend or Neighbor 40%
Child Strangers 10%



According to this large study, apparently child molestors are most commonly heterosexual, religious, married men. They most commonly molest children in their own families or children of friends or neighbours. (Perhaps this is this answer as to who they are really trying to protect by pointing their fingers at gay men? )

If you want to see just some of other studies again, (so you can ignore them yet again?) see my blog here:

//www.city-data.com/blogs/blog3...lestation.html

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Old 07-01-2012, 12:24 AM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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And yet, ALL the research from the last 60 years proves that thousands of men with an adult heterosexual orientation have sexually molested young boys. Are there gay men who molest boys? Yes - the research shows this too. But the research also shows they are in the minority.

The 1,038 men who molested boys reported a range of adult sexual preferences. Contrary to popular belief, only 8 percent reported that they were exclusively homosexual in their adult preferences. The majority of men who molested boys (51 percent) described themselves as exclusively heterosexual in their adult partner preferences. An additional 19 percent reported they were predominantly heterosexual, while another 9 percent said they were equally heterosexual and homosexual in their adult sex life.[/font]
Oh yes. We all know about the "studies" of so-called "heterosexual" men who claim to be straight, and sneak away "on the down low" to have sex with men. They believe they're heterosexual as well, but they're not.

How many gay men are there who would readily confess that they were molested as young boys?

Whether there is a higher incidence of childhood sexual abuse among homosexuals than heterosexuals depends on which studies you read.

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In research with 942 nonclinical adult participants, gay men and lesbian women reported a significantly higher rate of childhood molestation than did heterosexual men and women. Forty-six percent of the homosexual men in contrast to 7% of the heterosexual men reported homosexual molestation. Twenty-two percent of lesbian women in contrast to 1% of heterosexual women reported homosexual molestation. This research is apparently the first survey that has reported substantial homosexual molestation of girls.
Comparative data of childhood and adolescence molestation in heterosexual and homosexual persons

And, because 99.9% of molesters are male, it's safe to say the men doing the molesting are homosexual pedophiles. Coupled with the higher numbers of boys molested by adult males, gays are doing the most molesting. And the women who are molesting the females are creating lesbians according to the figures in the above referenced study.

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Old 07-01-2012, 12:40 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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When it comes to something as serious as protecting children, I prefer to base my opinions on evidence-based information from reliable sources, not propaganda from anti-gay crusaders.
No, 'non-pedophilic' just means that the perpetrator is not a true fixated pedophile who never deleloped an adult sexual orientation.

Not exactly. You are right that a non-pedophilic or 'regressed' child molestor has developed an adult sexual orientation and is attracted to adults, but has regressed back to before they developed an adult sexual orientation.

This is what Groth says in “Adult Sexual Orientation and Attraction to Underage Persons.” published in Archives of Sexual Behavior

(A. Nicholas Groth is one of the leading researchers and clinicians in this field. His work with thousands of sex offenders over several decades was used as the basis for FBI profiling of sex offenders against women and children)



And from another leading researcher - Dr Gene Abel, who has done some of the largest studies on child molestors in the US. This is from a 2001 study of over 4000 admitted child molestors. This is what he says:

The Abel and Harlow Child Molestation prevention study (2001)
Thanks for educating me on some of the types of child molesters. I do find it interesting and respect that you've taken the time to dish all this out. What I highlighted in bold is just a funny.
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Old 07-01-2012, 12:42 AM
 
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This is an llogical statement. It's not her 'personal preference'. Child sexual abuse hurts children and is against the law. How hard is that concept to grasp?
It is her personal preference. It's wrong within the confines of the law (which is preference)..But beyond the scope of the law..

Who says it's wrong?


hmmm?
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Old 07-01-2012, 12:52 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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Do you even know what the 'reparative drive theory' is? It's basically the discredited nonsense that religuous based 'pray away the gay' groups came up with about homosexuality being caused by having a distant father. Of course Throckmorton refutes it. Any rational person would. And he himself is a Christian psychologist to boot.
What actual effect might a distant or non-present father have on a male?

Do you believe there are heterosexual men who have or who have had sexual encounters with other men? If so, what do you think drives that?
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Old 07-01-2012, 02:13 AM
 
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Oh yes. We all know about the "studies" of so-called "heterosexual" men who claim to be straight, and sneak away "on the down low" to have sex with men. They believe they're heterosexual as well, but they're not.


Please don’t bother to pretend you have any knowledge of studies in this field. Many studies of sex offenders use psychometric and phallometric testing to determine the sexual gender and age orientation/responses to erotic stimuli. Do you even know what that is?

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How many gay men are there who would readily confess that they were molested as young boys?
Probably more gay men would 'confess' it than straight men because of the stigma attached of being labeled as ‘gay’. However, the majority of gay men and lesbian women were NOT molested as children, just as the majority of straight men and women were NOT molested as children. So what is your point?


What does this have to do with the fact that child molesters with an adult heterosexual orientation do sexually molest boys. The evidence is overwhelming. These are not closeted gay men who ‘claim’ to be straight, they ARE straight. Their responses to adult female erotic stimuli and lack of responses to adult male erotic stimuli show this.

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Whether there is a higher incidence of childhood sexual abuse among homosexuals than heterosexuals depends on which studies you read.
Comparative data of childhood and adolescence molestation in heterosexual and homosexual persons
Well it depends on the quality of the sampling and methodology. Marie Tomeo’s study was very weak in its sampling and methodology and there were discrepancies in her data and conclusions. She was a PhD student when she did this study. Dr Warren Throckmorton did a review of this study highlighting the problems.
http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/06/05/...ity-revisited/

You’ll also notice on the same page he reviews the more robust 2009 Wilson and Widom study Does Physical Abuse, Sexual Abuse, or Neglect in Childhood Increase the Likelihood of Same-sex Sexual Relationships and Cohabitation? A Prospective 30-year Follow-up

Wilson and Widom conclude in their research article: "We also found no connections between childhood physical abuse, sexual abuse, or neglect and romantic cohabitation with a same-sex partner. These results were consistent for men and women and support the conclusions of Bell et al. (1981) that early parenting experiences, positive or negative, play little direct role in the development of sexual orientation" (Wilson & Widom, 2009)

If you are trying to claim that child sexual abuse 'causes' homosexuality, then you are once more incorrect and at odds with mainstream science and all the major health organizations and health professionals.

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And, because 99.9% of molesters are male, it's safe to say the men doing the molesting are homosexual pedophiles. Coupled with the higher numbers of boys molested by adult males, gays are doing the most molesting. And the women who are molesting the females are creating lesbians according to the figures in the above referenced study.
I doubt you have even read the study you linked to so you wouldn’t know that on page 540 even Tomeo states in her article “Most men who molest boys and most men who molest girls are heterosexual in their adult sexual preference" (It really helps to have READ the articles in your own links. I'm guessing you don't have access to the full text articles. )

Which once again, along with all the links to research I've presented, blows your uneducated prejudiced opinions right out of the water.

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Old 07-01-2012, 02:35 AM
 
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It is her personal preference. It's wrong within the confines of the law (which is preference)..But beyond the scope of the law..

Who says it's wrong?


hmmm?
Are you serious?

Would you condone child sexual abuse even if it wasn't aganst the law?

Do you have any idea of the harm it causes?
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Old 07-01-2012, 02:44 AM
 
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Are you serious?

Would you condone child sexual abuse even if it wasn't aganst the law?

Do you have any idea of the harm it causes?
No... I wouldn't....but that's because it's my preference.
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Old 07-01-2012, 04:18 AM
 
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What actual effect might a distant or non-present father have on a male?
That's really too broad a question to go into here. But there is zero evidence that it can 'cause' homosexuality in a male. That long discredited idea from prior to the 1950’s was only ever maintained by people like Charles Socarides who was one of the founders of NARTH- a small religious-based fringe group who believe they can 'cure' homosexuals.

What's really ironic is that Charles Socarides son, Richard Socarides, is gay. He is a very successful attorney and was a White House advisor to the Clinton administration. Perhaps having a 'distant' anti-gay conservative dick-head for a father caused him to be successful?
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Do you believe there are heterosexual men who have or who have had sexual encounters with other men? If so, what do you think drives that?
It's not a matter of 'belief', it's a matter of 'fact'. Do I think most heterosexual men want to have sex with other men? No.

Do I think some heterosexual men get their jollies from sexual violence and rape of boys and other adult men? Yes.

But it’s not a matter of sexual attraction; it’s a matter of power and dominance over others. We’ve seen this throughout history where men will rape their enemies, prisoners of war, or men in prisons etc, to humiliate and ‘demasculinize’ them. Or, as shown in the research linked to in this thread, where heterosexual men will sexually abuse boys.

Just google ‘sexual violence against men’
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Old 07-01-2012, 04:44 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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That's really too broad a question to go into here. But there is zero evidence that it can 'cause' homosexuality in a male. That long discredited idea from prior to the 1950’s was only ever maintained by people like Charles Socarides who was one of the founders of NARTH- a small religious-based fringe group who believe they can 'cure' homosexuals.

What's really ironic is that Charles Socarides son, Richard Socarides, is gay. He is a very successful attorney and was a White House advisor to the Clinton administration. Perhaps having a 'distant' anti-gay conservative dick-head for a father caused him to be successful?

It's not a matter of 'belief', it's a matter of 'fact'. Do I think most heterosexual men want to have sex with other men? No.

Do I think some heterosexual men get their jollies from sexual violence and rape of boys and other adult men? Yes.

But it’s not a matter of sexual attraction; it’s a matter of power and dominance over others. We’ve seen this throughout history where men will rape their enemies, prisoners of war, or men in prisons etc, to humiliate and ‘demasculinize’ them. Or, as shown in the research linked to in this thread, where heterosexual men will sexually abuse boys.

Just google ‘sexual violence against men’
It's interesting you mentioned the concept of 'demasculinization'. For the layman who wants to find a reason for homosexuality and thinks men can 'turn gay', that's a concept that is easy to suspect as being a culprit.

I've started a thread here (if you want to chime in):

//www.city-data.com/forum/psych...l#post24977276
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