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Old 06-27-2012, 11:56 AM
 
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Deny it all you wish. Marriage was created by religion and is the reason there is so much backlash about allowing freaks of nature to be considered a breeding couple, under the eyes of GOD, to create the next generation of life.
I'm denying nothing. Not all marriages are religious in nature. Not all married couples are united in houses of God. We are talking about LEGAL marriage not religious.
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Old 06-27-2012, 11:58 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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It is not.

Yes it is.

What government has created is nothing more than a legal contract, that can be broken and dissolved at will.

There was a time long ago, when the church that married you, had to grant the divorce, and that rarely happened.
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Old 06-27-2012, 12:01 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Gotcha!

Speechless once again, are you.
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Old 06-27-2012, 12:01 PM
 
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Deny it all you wish. Marriage was created by religion and is the reason there is so much backlash about allowing freaks of nature to be considered a breeding couple, under the eyes of GOD, to create the next generation of life.

The reason why there is so much backlash is because America is full of superstitious idiots who believe nonsense like "God created marriage." Which god is that? The Christian God? The Hindu Gods? Ra? Thor? Zeus? Animal spirits?



Get out and travel the world. Study some ancient world history, and ancient religions and cultures. Would do you and many other quaint, provincial Americans tons of good!
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Old 06-27-2012, 12:02 PM
 
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Yes it is.

What government has created is nothing more than a legal contract, that can be broken and dissolved at will.

There was a time long ago, when the church that married you, had to grant the divorce, and that rarely happened.
It it not just a religious ceremony now. Period. It is now a social and legal ceremony as well. Legally, all consenting adults should be entitled to marry who they'd like.

I don't give a rip what churches do.
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Old 06-27-2012, 12:02 PM
 
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That's his name down at the Cherokee Nation: "Manwhobeatdeadshorse"
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Old 06-27-2012, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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Yes it is.

What government has created is nothing more than a legal contract, that can be broken and dissolved at will.

There was a time long ago, when the church that married you, had to grant the divorce, and that rarely happened.
Originally "marriage" was a private, binding contract between clans (families) to form an alliance, thereby increasing the clan's chances for survival in war against rival clans. A "dowry" was given by each clan to "seal the deal". Marriage was contractual, considered a passing of "property" between clans as a symbol of intention to honor the agreement being made. Property took many forms: cattle, land, children, whatever was considered to be of great value at the time. In the United Kingdom, a requirement for a public announcement in a Christian parish (banns of marriage) was introduced by the Roman Catholic Church in 1215. This set the precedent for marriage as is recognized by the Christian community.
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Old 06-27-2012, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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You make my point, that the Federal Government has no business being involved in marriage at all, since it has always been a religious ceremony.
The church started sanctioning marriages in the 4th century.
Unless there was no marriage before that time, marriage has not always been a religious ceremony.
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Old 06-27-2012, 12:05 PM
 
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Originally "marriage" was a private, binding contract between clans (families) to form an alliance, thereby increasing the clan's chances for survival in war against rival clans. A "dowry" was given by each clan to "seal the deal". Marriage was contractual, considered a passing of "property" between clans as a symbol of intention to honor the agreement being made. Property took many forms: cattle, land, children, whatever was considered to be of great value at the time. In the United Kingdom, a requirement for a public announcement in a Christian parish (banns of marriage) was introduced by the Roman Catholic Church in 1215. This set the precedent for marriage as is recognized by the Christian community.
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Old 06-27-2012, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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A commonly held (and quickly diminishing) opinion, this belief has had wide and far-reaching implications on the lives of millions upon millions of LGBT people across the world.

I don't think anyone can understand what it is like to be discriminated against unless they have been discriminated against themselves. Most of the people that practice discrimination have not experienced the discrimination they dish out.

I know what it is like to be discriminated against for being a woman, black, and gay. Although I have no idea what's it's like for older people, people with physical or mental disabilities, or immigrants. However, because of my baseline experiences as triple minority, I can understand what it is like to be discriminated against in general.

We are treated as lesser beings than those that are supposedly the "right" people, those that have the right skin color, national origin, physical attributes, mental faculties, sexual orientation, religion, etc. in the USA, the "right" people are white, straight, and Christian. All the rest of us are "less" than they are.

Those that are "right", don't have a clear understanding, to say the least, of what it is like to be considered "less" than they are. They have experienced most everything good that our society has to offer just because they were born with all the "right" stuff and have all the "right" beliefs. The laws and norms are all in their favor.

It is amazing to me that those that think less of others so often are the perpetrators of the discriminatory behavior, the violence, hatred, bigotry--all of which is regularly posted on this forum--that will maintain their power over all those that are not "right".

How often do the ones that are discriminated against create the violence as opposed to those that feel they are the "right" ones? The "right" ones are most often the ones that start the vitriolic speech and do the violent acts against those that are not "right".

I am sick and tired of a government that panders to a mouth breathing, backwards, and hypocritical "religious right", while bullied gay teens commit suicide. These kids are killing themselves because everyone is tacitly endorsing these homophobes by not taking a stand against them.

I know things are changing quickly, and equality will come soon, but I just find it so tragic that people can't see the bigger picture. That it is wrong to hate other human beings, and it is wrong to denote second class status to those who are "different".

Now, in spite of all the ridiculousness with the right trying to curtail LGBT rights and rampant homophobia, I take solace in knowing that in 20 years, the new generation will look at the anti-gay crowd the same way this generation looks at the anti-segregation crowd of the '60s--as a bunch of narrow-minded, fanatical, ignorant bigots.

Can't wait!
Truth of the matter is that some gays are horrible and evil people as are some lesbians horrible and evil people. They are people. Some are good and caring wonderful people but some are horrible and evil as well. Being gay does not make you a Saint.
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