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31st voting today of the repeal of Obama care, Over the past 18 months, the House has taken 30 floor votes to try to repeal, defund or dismantle the health care law. The first attempt came on Jan. 19, 2011 just two weeks after the GOP took control of the House. Whats that old saying about doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result? oh yeah=insanity
For a group(GOP)that seems to be up in arms over government spending i wonder how much time and money and related costs are spent on these doomed to failure votes. Your tax dollars at work..
And the wicked right cannot offer any explanation as to why are they wasting their time trying to repeal something that will not change and that the American people want
And the wicked right cannot offer any explanation as to why are they wasting their time trying to repeal something that will not change and that the American people want
most amercans are against the costly obamacare
why are they trying to repeal a costly, lower service, that is making it WORSE in america.????
the only people for obamacare are the fascist liberals
If a seven percent spread gave Obama a "mandate" to do whatever the hell he wanted, then explain how a ten percent spread isn't a mandate to overturn that disaster.
31st voting today of the repeal of Obama care, Over the past 18 months, the House has taken 30 floor votes to try to repeal, defund or dismantle the health care law. The first attempt came on Jan. 19, 2011 just two weeks after the GOP took control of the House. Whats that old saying about doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result? oh yeah=insanity
For a group(GOP)that seems to be up in arms over government spending i wonder how much time and money and related costs are spent on these doomed to failure votes. Your tax dollars at work..
You mean like government spending will help the economy? Turning things over to the government to manage under the premise that they'll make it cheaper and more efficient? Those have been tried and tried and NEVER work yet you libs want to try it again because this time it's going to work!
why are they trying to repeal a costly, lower service, that is making it WORSE in america.????
the only people for obamacare are the fascist liberals
Most Americans support several main provisions of the ACA.
POLL: Americans Support Obamacare Provisions, Oppose Obamacare | ThinkProgress •61 percent of respondents favored allowing young adults to stay on their parents’ insurance plans until age 26.
•72 percent of respondents wish to maintain the requirement that companies with more than 50 workers provide health insurance for their employees.
•82 percent of respondents favored banning insurance companies from denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions.
Most Americans support several main provisions of the ACA.
POLL: Americans Support Obamacare Provisions, Oppose Obamacare | ThinkProgress •61 percent of respondents favored allowing young adults to stay on their parents’ insurance plans until age 26.
•72 percent of respondents wish to maintain the requirement that companies with more than 50 workers provide health insurance for their employees.
•82 percent of respondents favored banning insurance companies from denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions.
and you made my point
most americans favor PARTS of obamacare...most americans also are OPPOSED to the entirety of obamacare
and to your point#3
what is INSURANCE???????
think about auto insurance...if you have a preexisting condition of too many accidents or tickets...you will NOT get coverage, or your coverage will be extra costly
why...because insurance is RISK MANAGMENT...insurance has NEVER been care
as to point one
if my kid needs to stay on my insurance till 26..then THE IRS should credit him as a DEPENDANT and give the CHILD TAX CREDIT (which currently ends at 17.5)......fair is fair...we want EQUALITY
1. one of the parts of the ranking...do you have a singlepayer system....a thing our taxpayers cant afford
Finally, on the basis of those flawed statistical measures, the WHO unleashes an emotional assault on free markets, saying that governments must hold the "ultimate responsibility" in "defining the vision and direction of health policy, exerting influence through regulation and advocacy, and collecting and using information." WHO dismisses markets as "the worst possible way to determine who gets which health services," arguing that "fairness" requires the highest possible degree of separation between who pays for health care and who uses it.
By contrast, a free-market health care system upholds the right of every person to make his own decisions. Patients are given choices, not issued numbers, and doctors are freed from impersonal "expert panels" dictating what care they can and cannot provide.
When all is said and done, the treatment of, the practice of medicine, is socialistic.
There is nothing more socialist than being a physician, except being a priest
A non profit single payer system in the United States; we can afford. More importantly,
we can not afford NOT to have it.
I see no correlation between a non profit single payer system and your choice to get care from
a doctor. However, I see "many" restrictions with HMO's, PPO's and Medicare Managed Care Plans
on a regular basis, both in choice of doctor and out of pocket expense.
I'm totally opposed to this "Affordable Health Care Act" because the federal government
should not have the right to force a citizen to buy a private for profit item, force an individual
into a private contract with a for profit company, AND attach it to an IRS tax, if they don't.
The only way to bring down health care costs in America is to get rid of the profit
motive and exaggerated administrative costs. And, everyone has to have skin in the
game.
Really, no emotion involved in that part of it, only economics, and conservative fiscal
responsibility
There is nothing equitable about the bill and that's why I'd rather they did nothing than
this. I'm a rational libertarian. I've never made it a secret that WHEN we decided
to have Medicare, it needed to be for ALL the citizens or none of them.
It "affordable health care and delivery" benefits the entirety of the nation, as
well as it's productivity, which in turn strengthens/supports our security.
This can not be more true, than with our working, productive,
federal tax paying citizens
Free enterprise has it's place but NOT in a national health care
delivery system. That means Private Enterprise Gets out of Medicare -
Tricare - Medicaid -etc, like yesterday.
If you believe in private enterprise that much, ask insurance companies why
they won't get out of federal programs. They don't because they make a fortune
off of you and I....
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most americans favor PARTS of obamacare...most americans also are OPPOSED to the entirety of obamacare
and to your point#3
what is INSURANCE???????
think about auto insurance...if you have a preexisting condition of too many accidents or tickets...you will NOT get coverage, or your coverage will be extra costly
why...because insurance is RISK MANAGMENT...insurance has NEVER been care
as to point one
if my kid needs to stay on my insurance till 26..then THE IRS should credit him as a DEPENDANT and give the CHILD TAX CREDIT (which currently ends at 17.5)......fair is fair...we want EQUALITY
Not in my book, I didn't make your point. Some people are opposed to "Obamacare" b/c they don't like Obama. However, regarding specific provisions of the Affordable Care Act, they like it.
I'm fed up with these comparisons to auto or homeowners insurance. It's apples to oranges, at best. More like apples to chimpanzees, in other words, there is no comparison at all.
Your kids are young. You don't seem to understand the situation out there regarding young adults. Kids need ins. while they are in grad school, looking for their first professional job that will provide insurance, etc.
When all is said and done, the treatment of, the practice of medicine, is socialistic.
There is nothing more socialist than being a physician, except being a priest
A non profit single payer system in the United States; we can afford. More importantly,
we can not afford NOT to have it.
I see no correlation between a non profit single payer system and your choice to get care from
a doctor. However, I see "many" restrictions with HMO's, PPO's and Medicare Managed Care Plans
on a regular basis, both in choice of doctor and out of pocket expense.
I'm totally opposed to this "Affordable Health Care Act because the federal government
should not have the right to force a citizen to buy a private for profit item, force an individual
into a private contract with a for profit company, AND attach it to an IRS tax, if they don't.
The only way to bring down health care costs in America is to get rid of the profit
motive and exaggerated administrative costs. And, everyone has to have skin in the
game.
Really, no emotion involved in that part of it, only economics, and conservative fiscal
responsibility
There is nothing equitable about the bill and that's why I'd rather they did nothing than
this. I'm a rational libertarian. I've never made it a secret that WHEN we decided
to have Medicare, it needed to be for ALL the citizens or none of them.
It "affordable health care and delivery" benefits the entirety of the nation, as
well as it's productivity, which in turn strengthens/supports our security.
This can not be more true, than with our working, productive,
federal tax paying citizens
Free enterprise has it's place but NOT in a nation's health care
delivery system. That means Private Enterprise Gets out of Medicare -
Tricare - Medicaid -etc, like yesterday.
If you believe in private enterprise that much, ask insurance companies why
they won't get out of federal programs. They don't because they make a fortune
off of you and I....
you are wrong about a singlepayer
we (the taxpayer) cant afford it
look at the cost of the LOWPAYING medicare/medicaid.....900 billion just to PARTIALLY cover less than 70 million people ......900 billion to cover 1/5 of the population
singlepayer would cost between 3 trillion and 6 trillion EVERY YEAR (we already spend 1 trillion so the NEW added cost would be 2-5 trillion)
we have 140 million tax FILERS, (of which nealy 50% dont pay anything)
3 trillion divided by 140 million is what.......$20,000
6 trillion divided by 150 million is what......$40,000
thats between 20k to 40k PER TAXPAYER.....CAN YOU AFFORD THAT.... polly?????
even if we we SOMEHOW able to get the costs down to lets say 5k per capita...thats still over 1.5 trillion a year...and the only way to keep costs down is the standard medicare/medicaid DENIALS (ie DENY CARE because of cost)
and let's not forget: Obesity rates among OECD nations increased in recent years, with the highest rate in the U.S. at 34.3% -- which means one in 3 Americans is by definition obese.
number of americans getting cancer (new cases) per year 1.8 million for a total of 19 million people being treated (fighting) each year...each year at least 570,000 die from cancer
number of americans with heart desease: 26.2 million and of those
((Number of visits with heart disease as primary diagnosis: 16 million ))
((Number of discharges with heart disease as first-listed diagnosis: 4.2 million))
number of americans in nursing homes: 2 million
More than 25 million Americans have significant vision loss.
(((hmmm more than 25 million americans are blind or going blind.....that's more than norway,finland, denmark,switzerland,and austria COMBINED TOTAL population....)))
number of americans with diabetes: 26 million
mumber of americans with asthma: 20 million....Each day 11 Americans die from asthma.
while some of those may overlap...look at those numbers 19,26,25,26,20...that's 116 million with MAJOR health problem,,costly problems......we will ALWAYS be the largest spender in the world...we have the 3rd hightest population in the world (next to china and india) and we have more people (total, not a percentage) with major problems than any other country in europe.....I just showed you at least 116 million people with cancer,heart,blindness, diabetes, asthma.......that's more than france and great britian COMBINED for their total populations.
singlepayer will not control these costs
how are you going to control the cost of medical equipment(mri or xray machines, etc)??????most xray machine are made in denmark
how are you going to control the cost of the rising electric bills the doctors/hospitals are facing????
how are you going to control the rising property tax/rent/mortgage that doctors face?????
how are you going to control the cost of supplies(gauze, plaster, silk, rubber, polystirene( a oil product)?????especially some supplies that arent even american
how are you going to control the cost of people salaries???? a maximum wage???
how they are going to control the employment costs for Doctors, nurses, technicians, hospital food operators, hospital linnon cleaning service, custodial services, medical transcribers........are you going to 'nationalize' every profession that is even remotely connected to medicine????
how are they going to control malpractice INSURANCE COSTS?????
dont you get it... medicine (like anyother SERVICE) costs money,,(,money that our government doesnt have)
why are you not complaining that housing costs have quadrupled in the last 30 years......why are you not complaining that the cost of automobiles has increase 10 times (dec-rupled(???)) (ie a mid size car cost $2500 in 1973.....a mid size car now is over 25,000)????????????????????????????????
I asked a simple question.....HOW are you going to control costs OF MEDICINE, not INSURANCE..........because you CANT...and it will get worse and worse as inflation devalues our dollar
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