Official 10:00 healthcare ruling decision thread (lobbyist, versus, United States, liberal)

[Nomander]

Originally Posted by spankys bbq

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Yes, congratulations to Obama for having his signature legislation upheld. Legislation that what percentage of this country doesnt want?

Who cares what the peasants think, the lords know what is best, why just ask them!

[Glitch]

Originally Posted by All American NYC

Were are becoming more & more like we are under a dictatorship.

And it is very black and white as to whom those fascists are. There is no grey area. Not a single Republican voted for the AHCA.

[EinsteinsGhost]

Originally Posted by southbel

And it will get MUCH more expensive now with all of these things that are being mandated that must be covered. Now it will be a LOT cheaper for employers to just not offer health insurance and pay the penalty. Basically, everyone just got a huge tax hike.

It wasn't cheaper when health insurance costs doubled. Y'all didn't care about it then. So, how exactly are you computing it to be much more expensive now? There's a reason why insurance companies spent over $100 million fighting health care reform, and you seem to really believe in those ads that they have been running.

[Dumbdowndemocrats]

Obama said he wouldn't raise taxes on the working middle class well he just did on millions with this HC mandate and if you do not comply the IRS will be visiting soon better get the checkbook out and start writing....or start reading as Nancy Pelosi said "you will know whats in it when we pass it".

[Bill Keegan]

Originally Posted by SourD

I do understand the state thing as you describe, but I'm just confused on how SCOTUS can rule it Constitutional to force us to buy something. That sets a very slippery precedence. You wait and see how many other things we will be FORCED to buy.

Actually, they (the SCOTUS) were very clear that Congress CANNOT force or compel us as individuals to purchase health insurance, or anything else. I haven't read the entire decision yet, but in skimming Robert's majority decision, I fount a few key statements;

The Framers gave Congress the power to regulate commerce, not to compel it, and for over 200 years both our decisions and Congress’s actions have reflected this understanding. There is no reason to depart from that understanding now.

The proximity and degree of connection between the mandate and the subsequent commercial activity is too lacking to justify an exception of the sort urged by the Government. The individual mandate forces individuals into commerce precisely because they elected to refrain from commercial activity. Such a law cannot be sustained under a clause authorizing Congress to “regulate Commerce.”

What the Supreme Court allowed is the penalty (tax) being levied on those who choose not to purchase insurance. The Court referred to Congress's ability to lay taxes to justify this tax, and found that it is within the power of Congress to do so.

[TimC2462]

Originally Posted by Bulldogdad

Roberts just pulled the chair out from under Obama and Obamacare. You just don't realize it yet. It was a masterful decision.

Yes, Roberts decided to make a political move without being impartial as Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court.

[southbel]

Originally Posted by EinsteinsGhost

It wasn't cheaper when health insurance costs doubled. Y'all didn't care about it then. So, how exactly are you computing it to be much more expensive now? There's a reason why insurance companies spent over $100 million fighting health care reform, and you seem to really believe in those ads that they have been running.

It's much more expensive now because Obamacare is requiring that insurance companies cover a LOT more. Those policies that only covered catastrophic events? They're gone. This IS a huge boon to health insurance companies and a loss for the everyday American.

[All American NYC]

Originally Posted by southbel

Yes. Quite true.

Let me ask this to the board. If you're an employer, which would you do? Pay 5x the cost to offer health insurance to your employees or just pay the penalty and let the employee figure out where to get health insurance? The effect I see is that even less people will have health insurance from this and you just got a tax increase.

Fees & taxes from the Gov. are adding up. Soon you will have less than 1/2 your check as income. Uncle Sam takes everything.

This is not to mention the type of service to expect from all this.

[rikoshaprl]

With the Obamacare ruling we get a tax increase, The immigration ruling will increase the costs that illegal immigrants bring to the states and will increase taxes. The DC court rulling this week allowing onerous regulations to prevent global warming will lead to higher energy costs, essentially a tax increase.

The Bush tax cuts are expiring, another tax increase. The payroll tax holiday ends 12/31, a tax increase. Elimination of several business deductions will result in costs being passed along to consumers, essentially another tax increase.
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[A Common Anomaly]

Originally Posted by wade52

One step closer to universal healthcare. Which is where we need to be.

Wrong, Obamacare has undermined UHC. There will be no UHC in America's near future since Obamacare has set back UHC for decades.