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I really don't count this as Obama levying new taxes, but the Supreme Court levying new taxes. Obama didn't originally intend for this to be a tax.
Then again, Obama didn't originally intend to hoist this idiotic mess upon us anyways. What Obama originally wanted to overhaul healthcare with and what we got are two completely different things. This is actually a win for health care companies, not Americans.
President Obama and Congress levied this tax. They refused to CALL it a tax when they were campaigning for it's passage in Congress, because they were still selling the pablum of not raising taxes. Of course, as soon as it got to the courts, the lawyers argued that the "penalty" is allowed by virtue of Congress power to tax. Can't have it both ways. It IS a tax, even if President Obama & his lackeys in congress don't want to use that word.
The Affordable heath care act must now move forward and change the awful present health care system in the USA forever. As far as Businesses and work related health care is concerned and health care competition.... this health law being upheld will go a long towards lowering premiums, increasing health cover, improving health standards, helping business owners by eventually taking health care out of the work place and not being part of our salaries. Big business can concentrate on profits, production and companies paying fair salaries and NOT paying low salaries to afford the current health system in the USA. The only competition that will bring down private health premiums is a eventual UHC.... this has been shown to reduce premiums significantly and increase competition and benefits..... this isn't just a idea but a working actual fact..... UHC's bring down costs, not only medical costs but pharmaceutical costs and covers EVERY AMERICAN!
Kudos President Obama for starting to build a REAL American health system.......
I find it ironic how those who have been railing against those who don't have any "skin in the game" and how everyone should "pay their fair share" are trying to figure out how NOT to purchase health insurance and game the system. Suggestions such as "Pay the penalty until I get sick and then sign up for healthcare" seem to be a recurring theme in this thread.
I have skin in this game and it comes down to a financial decision for both myself and my company. I will not be offering health insurance; it will be cheaper to pay the penalty. It will be for myself as well. Unless you've been in the position of having to figure out which is cheaper to pay, health insurance or a tax, then you too do not have 'skin in the game'.
I love how the right is saying that this ia a tax on the middle class. Far fromm the truth as usual. It is only a tax on those who do not have their own health care from work or other sources and who refuse to buy into the government health care. So someone from the right, please explain how this is a tax for the middle class?
This being a new tax does not reflect negatively on Obama at all. He did not intend for it to be a tax, it's not on him that it got changed to be so. It's on the Supreme Court.
However, this rewarding the healthcare industry and not doing anything to fix what is broken does reflect somewhat negatively on Obama, since he threw his support into it, even though it's not even what he originally went for.
We are not paying for your hospital visits anymore.
You may not be able to pay all of it, but if you have a job and income you are going to pay a certain share.
And you'll pay that certain share when you are healthy and not healthy.
You don't get to game they system anymore.
Flip flopper..
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Originally Posted by padcrasher
laugh all you want ...anybody that tells people they're going to jail for not having healthcare is not taken seriously.
I told you from day one that this was going to be ruled as a tax,
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Originally Posted by pghquest
Wrong because Obamacare isnt a healthcare law, its a TAX bill.. .
You guys all called me crazy, but now I'm supposed to take your word on anything.. haha ..
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